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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby roadkill » Fri May 18, 2012 3:13 pm

YellowRose wrote:For those who do not vote, but only wish to complain:

I have very little tolerance, as you are the problem. However, it's never too late to change your attitude and become part of the solution.

No doubt that I am on opposites side of the fence from JK and Pipeline, but do respect them nonetheless. My hat's off to you gentlemen.


It is my right to not vote. Consider it a consistent vote for None of the Above. If Monty Brewster didn't convince you, then how about George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

I made my None of the Above decision before I saw Carlin's piece, but being in his company convinces me that the decision was correct. You'll notice that I don't really complain much about specific politicians. I complain about the system, or more often, I try to envision better ways to do things.

If George Carlin doesn't convince you, then how about Thomas Jefferson:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration.html

The founding fathers had grown weary of their government and made the decision to not participate any longer. I'd be more impressed if they hadn't replaced the existing oligarchy with another oligarchy, but I suppose they were trying to steer as far from monarchy as they could.

Representative forms of government aren't designed to solve problems. They are designed to preserve themselves. Our federal government is a much more poignant example than the town council of Flower Mound, Texas. Obama's epic faceplant should be the only evidence anyone needs to know our government doesn't work.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby JKTex » Fri May 18, 2012 3:20 pm

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JKTex wrote:??? Once again, a little idle chit chat goes off into the land of "WTH?" I won't bother trying to make sense of it; I admit I don't have that much brain power, or creativity, to make something up that makes sense. :)


During the campaign to prevent Hilliard (and others) from drilling, at least a couple people here told me the town council didn't have the power to contradict state law. Now, it might have Pipeline, Uther, or Slider. I don't really know because I can't tell you apart. Why would I attempt to change things by joining an organization without the power to change things? The Jody Smiths of the world can rubberstamp the strip malls. I'm busy outwitting the 5th graders.


Sorry, I forgot that you wanted all power for all things, like a King. :) Toss things like, say, State's rights and the Constitution. If you want to change the world, I guess you will have to shoot for higher authority than Town Council. I guess you won't be complaining about local issues anymore then......
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby roadkill » Fri May 18, 2012 3:40 pm

JKTex wrote:Sorry, I forgot that you wanted all power for all things, like a King. :) Toss things like, say, State's rights and the Constitution. If you want to change the world, I guess you will have to shoot for higher authority than Town Council. I guess you won't be complaining about local issues anymore then......


States' rights is a mantra people use until the state screws them over. Then they want the federal government in a bad way.

The Constitution causes far more problems than it solves. We use the committee to make decisions and the president to act as a safeguard. This, of course, is completely backwards.

As for complaining, I'll complain about dumb ideas whenever and wherever they occur. More importantly, I'll be trying to form better ideas to go in their stead.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby YellowRose » Fri May 18, 2012 3:57 pm

roadkill wrote:The Constitution causes far more problems than it solves. We use the committee to make decisions and the president to act as a safeguard. This, of course, is completely backwards.

As for complaining, I'll complain about dumb ideas whenever and wherever they occur. More importantly, I'll be trying to form better ideas to go in their stead.


It's when attorneys, along with politicians, undermine the Constitution is when the problem occurs. Kelo v. City of New London, CT is the perfect example. The Constitution is what gives you the Freedom of Speech to complain. Even if you do not exercise your right to vote.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby roadkill » Fri May 18, 2012 4:19 pm

YellowRose wrote:It's when attorneys, along with politicians, undermine the Constitution is when the problem occurs. Kelo v. City of New London, CT is the perfect example. The Constitution is what gives you the Freedom of Speech to complain. Even if you do not exercise your right to vote.


How is that case any different than what the state and town allowed Ron Hilliard to do to me? One private citizen's "rights" trumped another's. His "freedom to" beat my "freedom from". It's all perfectly legal.

The Constitution doesn't give me freedom of speech. The politicians and attorneys do. The First Amendment is just that -- an amendment -- and amendments can be overturned at any time. This is one of the fundamental flaws of the Constitution. Certain things shouldn't be able to be changed. There are aspects of Natural Law that are pretty much known. Such things should be invariable within Human Law.

Voting is nothing more than a communication to our government. Voting ensures nothing. No decisions are made, no policies are created by a vote to elect an official. I mean, look at all the crap Obama said he'd do that he didn't. Some of it was well within his power. He promises to close Gitmo, he gets elected, Gitmo stays open. Shrug. My abstention is exactly the communication I want to send to my government. I choose not to participate in the system before me. I don't consider anyone elected within this system to be worthy of a vote.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby YellowRose » Fri May 18, 2012 4:30 pm

Kelo abuses can and do occur. Roadkill, maybe you need to declare Hilliard's padsite blight and claim eminent domain? Oops! Senate Bill 18 killed that one. It's the inherent problem of living in an energy state and something needs to give, but if what happened bothers you that much, as it would me if I were in your shoes, then you and I need to move off the Barnett. Oil and Gas ain't goin' away as long as we are dependent on fossil fuels.

Last point since we are off thread again, still will argue the point that the Constitution is not the problem. It's been perverted by the attorneys and politicians. It's religion that causes more problems than it solves. Just look at all the wars due to religious beliefs. I rest my case.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby roadkill » Fri May 18, 2012 4:42 pm

YellowRose wrote:Kelo abuses can and do occur. Roadkill, maybe you need to declare Hilliard's padsite blight and claim eminent domain? Oops! Senate Bill 18 killed that one. It's the inherent problem of living in an energy state and something needs to give, but if what happened bothers you that much, as it would me if I were in your shoes, then you and I need to move off the Barnett. Oil and Gas ain't goin' away as long as we are dependent on fossil fuels.

Last point since we are off thread again, still will argue the point that the Constitution is not the problem. It's been perverted by the attorneys and politicians. It's religion that causes more problems than it solves. Just look at all the wars due to religious beliefs. I rest my case.


Moving is definitely in play. I've spent countless hours looking at homes to the east. The problem is that I'm not going to get as much for my house as I'd like. The numbers kind of suck.

No, you're right, the Constitution is not the problem. It's not helping matters though. It's like a really bad suggestion from hundreds of years ago. Unfortunately, it has overshadowed the most important document in our history (maybe in all of human history), and that is the Declaration of Independence.

If it weren't religion, it would be something else. People were slaughtering people long before religion told them to do it. Religion is just another aspect to culture that creates differences between people. The bottom line is that people simply don't like each other.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby Common Sense Al » Fri May 18, 2012 5:08 pm

roadkill wrote:If it weren't religion, it would be something else. People were slaughtering people long before religion told them to do it. Religion is just another aspect to culture that creates differences between people. The bottom line is that people simply don't like each other.


Interesting to inject religion into this topic.

I think it is more that people want power & control, thus they want to "conquer" others. Simply saying that violence is caused because of religion is ignorant.

And I agree our system is broken. It's too big, too expensive, too inefficient, and getting worse as more moderates get kicked out and compromise becomes something that will get one kicked out of office. But what can one do? The system may have to collapse under it's own incompetence before it can be fixed/replaced (like Greece).
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby roadkill » Fri May 18, 2012 5:20 pm

Common Sense Al wrote:But what can one do?


Stop voting.

Every time you vote you give new life to the system. I'd love to see the election this year be 1 vote for Obama, 1 vote for Romney, and 1 vote for "#3 combo meal with a Diet Coke" (Joe Biden).
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby Common Sense Al » Fri May 18, 2012 5:24 pm

roadkill wrote:Stop voting.


Somehow I doubt that's going to fix the system... but it will save you time & gas. :D
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby roadkill » Fri May 18, 2012 5:34 pm

Common Sense Al wrote:but it will save you time & gas. :D


Yep.

This is the age of the 24/7 internet town hall meeting. You don't have to vote to be heard anymore.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby admin » Fri May 18, 2012 6:41 pm

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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby JKTex » Sat May 19, 2012 12:17 pm

roadkill wrote:How is that case any different than what the state and town allowed Ron Hilliard to do to me? One private citizen's "rights" trumped another's. His "freedom to" beat my "freedom from". It's all perfectly legal.


It's because of you're "me me me" take on everything, and you're not alone. You, me, Hilliard or anyone else have rights that are less or more than anyone else. No ones rights trump someone elses. You and Hilliard have the same rights.

And nothing that he's done with land that he and his family has been on for nearly 100 years did anything to your rights. If you had the ability to do the same thing, you likely would have. But you can't, but you made that decision.

Whining doens't fix anything, just like not voting or not doing anything to affect change.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby Uther » Sat May 19, 2012 12:40 pm

We all hate when other do stuff that impacts on our way of living - I hate what Lantana did to my area. But, there isn't much that I can do about it. It is legal and in no way impacted my "rights".

Roadkill is in the same position vis-a-vis Hilliard - it is much nicer to gaze out over an unused airfield with cows grazing on it than it is to look at the barn that is currently there. Even the turn-off 2499 is an eyesore, but life is like that. When I lived in the UK, it happened tht a new housing estate would go up adjacent to a farm and the next thing you know everyone is up in arms about roosters crowing early in the morning and the stink when the farmers spread fertilizer over their fields.

In this life we all moan and b*tch and empoy every legal (and sometimes illegal) tool to gain whatever advantage we can. Human nature. Roadkill could have taken the long-term route, gotten himself elected to the council and seen what he could have done from a position of "power" and influence, but then, he "has better things to do with his time" such as griping in a forum where it will have absolutely no effect.
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Re: Hayden for Mayor

Postby admin » Tue May 22, 2012 6:50 pm

admin wrote:Looking for something to do on Monday nights? http://www.crosstimbersgazette.com/loca ... epted.html


15 people stepped up to apply for the open council seat: http://www.flower-mound.com/voting/applicantfilings.php
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