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Letter to our Government

Postby L-Dog » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:40 pm

I received this in an e-mail today. Pretty interesting...


THE LETTER EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT

This has to be the email forward of the year! Please take a few minutes to read and absorb just what this woman had to say, and then hopefully everyone will pass it to their entire mailing list and theirs to theirs until it circles the nation! Time is short and arrogance, stupidity and ignorance abound....

The following letter read on Glenn Beck's show, is rapidly circulating around the country. Americans everywhere identify with this 53-year-old woman. She has given us a voice. Once you read this, you will want to forward it to all of your friends...

Glenn Beck: I got a letter from a woman in Arizona. She writes an open letter to our nation's leadership:

“I am a home grown American citizen, 53, registered Democrat all my life. Before the last presidential election I registered as a Republican because I no longer felt the Democratic Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. Now I no longer feel the Republican Party represents my views or works to pursue issues important to me. The fact is I no longer feel any political party or representative in Washington represents my views or works to pursue the issues important to me. Instead, we are burdened with Congressional Dukes and Duchesses who think they know better than the citizens they are supposed to represent.

There must be someone. Please tell me who you are. Please stand up and tell me that you are there and that you're willing to fight for our Constitution as it was written. Please stand up now. You might ask yourself what my views and issues are that I would feel so horribly disenfranchised by both major political parties. What kind of nut-job am I? Well, these briefly are the views and issues for which I seek representation:

One - Illegal Immigration. I want you to stop coddling illegal immigrants and secure our borders. Close the underground tunnels. Stop the violence and the trafficking in drugs and people. No amnesty, not again. Been there, done that, no resolution.

P.S., I'm not a racist. This is not to be confused with legal immigration.

Two - The Stimulus Bill. I want it repealed and I want no further funding supplied to it. We told you No, but you did it anyway.... I want the remaining unfunded 95% repealed. Freeze, repeal.

Three - Czars. I want the circumvention of our constitutional checks and balances stopped immediately. Fire the czars. No more czars. Government officials answer to the process, not to the president. Stop trampling on our Constitution, and honor it.

Four - Cap and Trade. The debate on global warming is not over. There are many conflicting opinions and it is too soon for this radical legislation. Quit throwing our nation into politically-correct quicksand.

Five - Universal Healthcare. I will not be rushed into another expensive decision that will burden me, my children, and grandchildren. Don't you dare try to pass this in the middle of the night without even reading it. Slow down! Fix only what is broken -- we have the best health care system in the world -- and test any new program in one or two states first.

Six - Growing Government Control. I want states rights and sovereignty fully restored. I want less government in my life, not more. More is not better! Shrink it down. Mind your own business. You have enough to take care of with your real [Constitutional] obligations. Why don't you start there?

Seven -ACORN. I do not want ACORN and its affiliates in charge of our 2010 census. I want them investigated. I also do not want mandatory escrow fees contributed to them every time on every real estate deal that closes -- how did they pull that one off? Stop the funding to ACORN and its affiliates pending impartial audits and investigations. I do not trust them with taking the census with our taxpayer money. I don't trust them with any of our taxpayer money. Face up to the allegations against them and get it resolved before taxpayers get any more involved with them. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, hello?? Stop protecting your political buddies. You work for us, the people. Investigate.

Eight- Redistribution of Wealth. No, no, no. I work for my money. It is mine. I have always worked for people with more money than I have because they gave me jobs -- and that is the only redistribution of wealth that I will support. I never got a job from a poor person! Why do you want me to hate my employers? And what do you have against shareholders making a profit?

Nine - Charitable Contributions. Although I never got a job from a poor person, I have helped many in need. Charity belongs in our local communities, where we know our needs best and can use our local talent and our local resources. Butt out, please. We want to do it ourselves.

Ten - Corporate Bailouts. Knock it off. Every company must sink or swim like the rest of us. If there are hard times ahead, we'll be better off just getting into it and letting the strong survive. Quick and painful. (Have you ever ripped off a Band-Aid?) We will pull together. Great things happen in America under great hardship. Give us the chance to innovate. We cannot disappoint you more than you have disappointed us.

Eleven - Transparency and Accountability. How about it? No, really, how about it? Let's have it. Let's say we give the buzzwords a rest and have some straight honest talk. Please stop trying to manipulate and appease me with clever wording. I am not the idiot you obviously take me for. Stop sneaking around and meeting in back rooms, making deals with your friends. It will only be a prelude to your criminal investigation. Stop hiding things from me.

Twelve - Unprecedented, Quick Spending. Stop it now. Take a breath. Listen to the people. Slow down and get some input from non-politicians and experts on the subject. Stop making everything an emergency. Stop speed-reading our bills into law. I am not an activist. I am not a community organizer. Nor am I a terrorist, a militant or a violent person. I am a parent and a grandparent. I work, I'm busy. I am busy, and I am tired. I thought we elected competent people to take care of the business of government so that we could work, raise our families, pay our bills, have a little recreation, complain about taxes, endure our hardships, pursue our personal goals, cut our lawn, wash our cars on the weekends and be responsible contributing members of society who teach our children to be the same all while living in the home of the free and land of the brave.

I entrusted you with upholding the Constitution. I believed in the checks and balances to keep from getting far off course. What happened? You are very far off course. Do you really think I find humor in the hiring of a speed reader to unintelligently ramble all through a bill that you signed into law without knowing what it contained? I do not. It is a mockery of the responsibility I have entrusted to you. It is a slap in the face. I am not laughing at your arrogance. Why is it that I feel as if you would not trust me to make a single decision about my own life and how I would live it but you should expect that I should trust you with the debt that you have laid on all of us and our children? We did not want the TARP bill. We said no. We would repeal it if we could. I am sure that we still cannot. There is needless urgency and recklessness in all of your recent spending of our tax dollars.

From my perspective, it seems that all of you have gone insane. I also know that I am far from alone in these feelings. Do you honestly feel that your current pursuits have merit to patriotic Americans? We want it to stop. We want to put the brakes on everything that is being rushed by us and forced upon us. We want our voice back. You have forced us to put our lives on hold to straighten out the mess that you are making. We will have to give up our vacations, our time spent with our children, any relaxation time we may have had and money we cannot afford to spend on bringing our concerns to Washington. Our president often knows all the right buzzwords like unsustainable. Well, no kidding. How many tens of thousands of dollars did the focus group cost to come up with that word? We don't want your overpriced words. Stop treating us like we're morons.

We want all of you to stop focusing on your reelection and do the job we want done, not the job you want done or the job your party wants done. You work for us and at this rate I guarantee you not for long because we are coming. We will be heard and we will be represented. You think we're so busy with our lives that we will never come for you? We are the formerly silent majority, all of us who quietly work, pay taxes, obey the law, vote, save money, keep our noses to the grindstone... and we are now looking at you.

You have awakened us, the patriotic freedom spirit so strong and so powerful that it had been sleeping too long. You have pushed us too far. Our numbers are great. They may surprise you. For every one of us who will be there, there will be hundreds more that could not come. Unlike you, we have their trust. We will represent them honestly, rest assured. They will be at the polls on voting day to usher you out of office.

We have canceled vacations. We will use our last few dollars saved. We will find the representation among us and a grassroots campaign will flourish. We didn't ask for this fight. But the gloves are coming off. We do not come in violence, but we are angry. You will represent us or you will be replaced with someone who will. There are candidates among us who will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes that you have made of our constitution.

Democrat, Republican, Independent or Libertarian. Understand this... We don't care. Political parties are meaningless to us Patriotic Americans are willing to do right by us and our Constitution, and that is all that matters to us now. We are going to fire all of you who abuse power and seek more. It is not your power. It is ours and we want it back. We entrusted you with it and you abused it. You are dishonorable. You are dishonest. As Americans we are ashamed of you. You have brought shame to us. If you are not representing the wants and needs of your constituency loudly and consistently, in spite of the objections of your party, you will be fired. Did you hear? We no longer care about your political parties. You need to be loyal to us, not to them. Because we will get you fired and they will not save you.

If you do or can represent me, my issues, my views, please stand up. Make your identity known. You need to make some noise about it. Speak up. I need to know who you are. If you do not speak up, you will be herded out with the rest of the sheep and we will replace the whole damn Congress if need be, one by one.

Rest assured, we are coming. Are we coming for you? Who do you represent? What do you represent?

Listen. Because we are coming. We the people are coming."
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby neighbor » Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:53 am

Four thumbs up...
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby corey » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:08 pm

1 - So you're going to evict 15-20 million people to Mexico. The entire world has issues providing care for a half million Hatians. Who's going to care for these folks. Remember our Army is 1/20th the size of that evicted population and the world would generally frown on the USA creating the largest humanitarian crisis ever. Evicting them would potentially kill more Mexicans than the Nazi's killed Jewish people. Not sure if I want to be party to such a thing.

2 - The DOW 10500 a year after the DOW 6600. What happened in between? TARP and Stimulus. Though I would agree that nobody has fixed the commercial paper issue for small business which is a huge problem still.

3 - Czar's is a stupid term for what should be things like Secretary of homeland security etc. More likely the men in those positions did not like the term, and I'm sure the women equally so.

4 - Either we get ahead of the world in green power or we become a 3rd world country ourselves. China is already the largest producer of wind power and because of our ignoring at least working to fix our dependency on 3rd country energy solutions we lose those jobs every day to the Chinese.

5 - We do not have the best health care system in the world. We have high infant mortality, 70% of adults are fat, 80% of our kids are fat, we have fat related health issues, and 50 million Americans have no health insurance. 90% of all bankruptcies are caused by health care bills. The only people who have the best healthcare in the world is those in power and with wealth.

6 - Ever hear of the Civil war? Been there and done that. I bet you think it was all about slavery.

7 - Okay, whatever happened to the Census Bureau?

8 - 1 % of Americans own 50% of the wealth in this country yet the rest of us combined pay a larger share of taxes to the federal government. We are talking about people who have hundreds of millions and billions just sitting there doing nothing other than being a number that represents their economic penis. This country has gotten along fine with them paying taxes at 80% before and it can not hurt for them to pay a little more than we do. Their tax breaks should come from them creating jobs for Americans.

9 - The federal government does not provide contributions to charity. Never heard of them funding the Red cross. Please do not confuse humanitarian aid with charity please. Moreover the term "Charitable Contribution" sounds more like a tax term the rich use as an excuse to not pay taxes. See 8.

10 - I do not even know where to start. Ever hear of the great depression? You're all about big government, but I guarantee when the government is the only one feeding people you'll be happy they're around. Go read Grapes of Wrath.

11 - I can agree with this I too am tired of government hiding everything they want.

12 - Easy fix, no bill passes without funding, and congress does not get a raise if they raise the national debt ceiling. However the flip side is that Texas has discovered it's fun to pass laws, but not fund them. We have plenty of things on the shelf that they claim they put into effect, but they never funded it.


For what it's worth I've voted on both sides of the aisle and I'll vote for the guy that's best for America, not voting is just gambling. I still belive that McCain would of been a economic disaster for this country (he picked carly fiorna the destroyer of HP and Compaq as his economic advisor).

Anywho that's my feelings on the 12 points she had.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby Al » Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:53 pm

Yep, there's some good stuff in there but also some crap - "we have the best health care system in the world" being the stinkiest of it! :lol:
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby josh » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:21 pm

corey wrote:1 - So you're going to evict 15-20 million people to Mexico. The entire world has issues providing care for a half million Hatians. Who's going to care for these folks. Remember our Army is 1/20th the size of that evicted population and the world would generally frown on the USA creating the largest humanitarian crisis ever. Evicting them would potentially kill more Mexicans than the Nazi's killed Jewish people. Not sure if I want to be party to such a thing.

2 - The DOW 10500 a year after the DOW 6600. What happened in between? TARP and Stimulus. Though I would agree that nobody has fixed the commercial paper issue for small business which is a huge problem still.

3 - Czar's is a stupid term for what should be things like Secretary of homeland security etc. More likely the men in those positions did not like the term, and I'm sure the women equally so.

4 - Either we get ahead of the world in green power or we become a 3rd world country ourselves. China is already the largest producer of wind power and because of our ignoring at least working to fix our dependency on 3rd country energy solutions we lose those jobs every day to the Chinese.

5 - We do not have the best health care system in the world. We have high infant mortality, 70% of adults are fat, 80% of our kids are fat, we have fat related health issues, and 50 million Americans have no health insurance. 90% of all bankruptcies are caused by health care bills. The only people who have the best healthcare in the world is those in power and with wealth.

6 - Ever hear of the Civil war? Been there and done that. I bet you think it was all about slavery.

7 - Okay, whatever happened to the Census Bureau?

8 - 1 % of Americans own 50% of the wealth in this country yet the rest of us combined pay a larger share of taxes to the federal government. We are talking about people who have hundreds of millions and billions just sitting there doing nothing other than being a number that represents their economic penis. This country has gotten along fine with them paying taxes at 80% before and it can not hurt for them to pay a little more than we do. Their tax breaks should come from them creating jobs for Americans.

9 - The federal government does not provide contributions to charity. Never heard of them funding the Red cross. Please do not confuse humanitarian aid with charity please. Moreover the term "Charitable Contribution" sounds more like a tax term the rich use as an excuse to not pay taxes. See 8.

10 - I do not even know where to start. Ever hear of the great depression? You're all about big government, but I guarantee when the government is the only one feeding people you'll be happy they're around. Go read Grapes of Wrath.

11 - I can agree with this I too am tired of government hiding everything they want.

12 - Easy fix, no bill passes without funding, and congress does not get a raise if they raise the national debt ceiling. However the flip side is that Texas has discovered it's fun to pass laws, but not fund them. We have plenty of things on the shelf that they claim they put into effect, but they never funded it.


For what it's worth I've voted on both sides of the aisle and I'll vote for the guy that's best for America, not voting is just gambling. I still belive that McCain would of been a economic disaster for this country (he picked carly fiorna the destroyer of HP and Compaq as his economic advisor).

Anywho that's my feelings on the 12 points she had.



1. There was no reference to evicting 12 million people. Red herring.
2. TARP and Stim bill huh? How did those 3 million jobs that were promised turn out? Dow driven by strong earnings driven by companies operating with less costs (remember all those lost jobs), not as a result of strong top line growth. Most people who follow the market even casually would know this.
3. It is not the word czar, it is the position. Re read the opening post
4. Cap and trade does nothing for the creation of green power. Are you to believe that China uses cap and trade (yeah right), yet you hold them up as a model for green energy. So maybe, just maybe, alt energy can be created without trillion dollar tax on business...interesting concept.
5. High infant mortality due to the way we count infant mortality versus other countries (data is really easy to find if you are so inclined). 50 million figure includes ilegal imigrants. When you exclude those, exclude those eligible for other existng programs and exlcude those that make above 60,000 a year that can afford it, but decide not to, then that number is so small it makes you wonder why people want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
6. Another rabit trail. No mention of civil war or a call to arms...just that the constitution be restored. Why do you hate the constitution?
8. How many American pay ZERO taxes. Get that answer first, then lets talk about how top earners should pay more. Pathetic.
9. So the "rich" are the only ones that contribute to charity? Interesting. So which are you - rich or stingy with your money. Let me guess, its not your responsibility to help less fortunate...its the rich and the governments...is that it?
10. Did the govt have anything to do with the Great Depression? Read Milton Freidman and I will re-read Grapes and we can compare notes afterwards.

Im out of time. Interesting points you make.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby esemerson » Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:00 pm

what I find most interesting is that people are just now getting 'fed-up'. It is hypocrisy at it's finest. Truth is most, if not all, of these issues were started years ago. I am starting to think Obama's biggest problem is not being an old white guy from Texas. Thank god the republicans have our savior-in-chief waiting in the wings. oh wait...
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby josh » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:12 pm

esemerson wrote:what I find most interesting is that people are just now getting 'fed-up'. It is hypocrisy at it's finest. Truth is most, if not all, of these issues were started years ago. I am starting to think Obama's biggest problem is not being an old white guy from Texas. Thank god the republicans have our savior-in-chief waiting in the wings. oh wait...


funny. when all else fails, blame it on race.

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I wonder if you have any children? If so, have you ever been "fed up" with some behavior? Plenty of times I have tried to watch TV with the kids running around playing and being loud. I put up with it for a while...thinking they would realize what they were doing...but finally, having had enough, I have to take some action. Being loud while someone is watching TV is always wrong...the fact that I didnt act on it at first makes it no less wrong. Same thing here. It doesnt make me a hypocrite...maybe it makes me too gullible...too trusting in human behavior...but not a hypocrit.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby esemerson » Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:45 pm

josh wrote:
esemerson wrote:what I find most interesting is that people are just now getting 'fed-up'. It is hypocrisy at it's finest. Truth is most, if not all, of these issues were started years ago. I am starting to think Obama's biggest problem is not being an old white guy from Texas. Thank god the republicans have our savior-in-chief waiting in the wings. oh wait...


funny. when all else fails, blame it on race.

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I wonder if you have any children? If so, have you ever been "fed up" with some behavior? Plenty of times I have tried to watch TV with the kids running around playing and being loud. I put up with it for a while...thinking they would realize what they were doing...but finally, having had enough, I have to take some action. Being loud while someone is watching TV is always wrong...the fact that I didnt act on it at first makes it no less wrong. Same thing here. It doesnt make me a hypocrite...maybe it makes me too gullible...too trusting in human behavior...but not a hypocrit.


I have 2 boys. frankly they behave better than most govt officials.

as far as race goes... those tea parties are so white you need sun glasses.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby esemerson » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:50 pm

speaking of hypocrisy...

why was it ok for Richard Reed to be read Miranda rights but not ok for Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab?
Why does the right get upset when Obama gives them what they want, a Healthcare Summit?

The right is losing their radical fringe element to these tea parties. they have done it to themselves.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby josh » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:18 pm

esemerson wrote:speaking of hypocrisy...

why was it ok for Richard Reed to be read Miranda rights but not ok for Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab?
Why does the right get upset when Obama gives them what they want, a Healthcare Summit?

The right is losing their radical fringe element to these tea parties. they have done it to themselves.


Thats easy...military tribunals were not up and running at this very early stage in the war. It wasnt really an option. Theoretical option, yes...but not practical. Not so today...we have a fully functional mil tribunal up and running with several years of experience on how to handle these people. In addition we now have a dedicated FBI task force for HVT that should be consulted on these cases...that was not done. Another failed attempt esemerson.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby esemerson » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:52 pm

josh wrote:
esemerson wrote:speaking of hypocrisy...

why was it ok for Richard Reed to be read Miranda rights but not ok for Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab?
Why does the right get upset when Obama gives them what they want, a Healthcare Summit?

The right is losing their radical fringe element to these tea parties. they have done it to themselves.


Thats easy...military tribunals were not up and running at this very early stage in the war. It wasnt really an option. Theoretical option, yes...but not practical. Not so today...we have a fully functional mil tribunal up and running with several years of experience on how to handle these people. In addition we now have a dedicated FBI task force for HVT that should be consulted on these cases...that was not done. Another failed attempt esemerson.


so our great nation that was just savagely attacked just 3 months prior could not get a military tribunal together on short notice? either this is yet another indictment of the incompetence of the Bush Administration or someone made this up to substantiate a republican talking point. Even your idol Darth Cheney said there should have been a tribunal.
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby esemerson » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:11 pm

by the way josh just how many tribunal convictions were there under Bush? I know they got Bin laden's driver. who else?

here is an interesting doc from 2006.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2006/Sept ... a_590.html please note where is say "America's federal courtrooms"

Prosecutors and civil attorneys at the Department of Justice have had great success in America's federal courtrooms since the attacks of Sept. 11, successfully identifying, prosecuting, and locking up hundreds of terrorists or would-be terrorists. As Attorney General Gonzales has said, "Prevention is the goal of all goals when it comes to terrorism because we simply cannot and will not wait for these particular crimes to occur before taking action."
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby josh » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:58 am

esemerson wrote:by the way josh just how many tribunal convictions were there under Bush? I know they got Bin laden's driver. who else?

here is an interesting doc from 2006.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2006/Sept ... a_590.html please note where is say "America's federal courtrooms"

Prosecutors and civil attorneys at the Department of Justice have had great success in America's federal courtrooms since the attacks of Sept. 11, successfully identifying, prosecuting, and locking up hundreds of terrorists or would-be terrorists. As Attorney General Gonzales has said, "Prevention is the goal of all goals when it comes to terrorism because we simply cannot and will not wait for these particular crimes to occur before taking action."



This is a document from the Dept of Justice. Of course it will say Federal Courtrooms...that is where they work. The dept of justice isnt in the business of military tribunals. That is the job of....wait for it...almost...the Military. No surprise the DOJ has an approach to the problem that is different from DOD...which is probably different from CIA,etc, etc.

But hey...if you think Obama is doing a good job...count yourself among the 44% that feel that way. Taking the word Failure to a whole notha level.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/81213-52-say-obama-doesnt-deserve-reelection-
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby esemerson » Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:19 am

You failed to answer the question and you demonstrate why I posted to begin with. Its okay for bush to put terrorists in federal court but not obama. Check. So complaining for the sake of complaining is republican policy?


Speaking of hypocrits. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ites-video
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Re: Letter to our Government

Postby josh » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:05 am

esemerson wrote:You failed to answer the question and you demonstrate why I posted to begin with. Its okay for bush to put terrorists in federal court but not obama. Check. So complaining for the sake of complaining is republican policy?


Speaking of hypocrits. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ites-video


I answered your question earlier. You may not have agreed with the answer, but I answered it directly. I'm not one to dodge tough questions...and I don't usually require a teleprompter either :wink:
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