Fellowship Church's "Wild" series

[CopperCanyonResident]

CCR, did you also sleep inside the cow for warmth as well?

No.

But I can attest to the fact that an early morning birthing in late February can be pretty darn pleasant while one's arm is inserted in the cow's birth canal.

The hard part is the instant sting of cold upon removing one's arm from those nether regions,

[sandy brake]

CCR. You sure like your arm up them cows!

BTW this is the same procedure used on women with a breech baby, but this does not relate to the topic, does it?

[Common Sense Al]

It is interesting that some people compare helping a cow give birth to animal mistreatment. Two completely different things.

[CopperCanyonResident]

It is interesting that some people compare helping a cow give birth to animal mistreatment. Two completely different things.

Re-read my original post. It was not about birthing exclusively.

You missed my point.

Pay attention Al!

Put down that burrito filled with cooked animal flesh and pay attention!

Did you ever live on a farm or have any meaningful contact with the real, down to Earth world, Al?

C++ classes at University don't count.

[CopperCanyonResident]

CCR. You sure like your arm up them cows!

BTW this is the same procedure used on women with a breech baby, but this does not relate to the topic, does it?

Breech or facing forward with one front hoof back - both a challenge. Very much the same.

I would have thought a self described horsewoman would already know that, but I am guessing you call the vet whining like a school girl when one of your equine gets gas, don't you?

[Common Sense Al]

Put down that burrito filled with cooked animal flesh and pay attention!

No burrito today.

Did you ever live on a farm or have any meaningful contact with the real, down to Earth world, Al?

I have been to a farm a few times and I do actually live on Earth.

Being a self-professed Catholic, you do know that the Catholic church teaches against the mistreatment of animals, right???

[CopperCanyonResident]

Al:

Sorry - epic fail as the young folks say.

You are not in a position to define what is mistreatment because you are far too removed from reality.

Is what I described mistreatment? Is de-horning cattle mistreatment? Is castrating bulls mistreatment? Seems pretty brutal to city folk, but that is what it takes to get things done on the farm / ranch.

What is mistreatment?

The beginning of wisdom lies in definition.

[Common Sense Al]

What is mistreatment?

Well, I suppose this could be argued a long time... but I'd say a basic definition is when you harm or hurt an animal for no good, reasonable, or justifiable purpose.

If you de-horn cattle because you enjoy watching them suffer, then that's abuse... but if there is a justifiable reason other than "having fun", then it's not abuse.

Make sense?

Now go be a good steward of the earth and all of its creatures.

[CopperCanyonResident]

Well, I suppose this could be argued a long time... but I'd say a basic definition is when you harm or hurt an animal for no good, reasonable, or justifiable purpose.

If you de-horn cattle because you enjoy watching them suffer, then that's abuse... but if there is a justifiable reason other than "having fun", then it's not abuse.

Make sense?

Now go be a good steward of the earth and all of its creatures

Pasty-white city boy, if ever I hear of one!

Yeah, cattle are dehorned to prevent other cattle (that is, money on the hoof) from being damaged.

It has nothing to do with having fun. No clue where that came from. Life in the real world is rough and hard. Something you don't understand, from what I understand.

Put down your key board and learn what it takes to feed folks, you soft- software engineer.

I reckon folks are all atwitter about the lion spending a few hours in a cage. Who cares!

That lion would gladly use his jaw to crack open any of our skulls with one crack, and then lick up what remained of our brains in the lovely white bowl that was our cranium. I am thankful we are at the top of the food chain. That a lion spent a few hours in a cage means NOTHING!

As I pointed out in an earlier post, I spend many hours sitting in a much worse position in coach on US air carrier's flights. The lion did not suffer. If you think so, please prove it.

I suspect that what is really the bottom of the controversy is the religious affiliation of the church that set up this drama.

I have no dog in this fight. If anything, that particular faith has been a source of great irritation to me over the course of my life, but the attacks on that church with is a bunch of nothing is more than I can bear.

To hell with that damned big cat. If we can wedge myriad cows, sheep, pigs, etc. into the slaughterman's clutches, why in the world are we whining about a lion who had to spend a few hours in a cage at a church? It makes no sense to me, unless religious bigotry is the underlying reason for all the complaints.

I know, I whine about the LDS's grinning idiots who come to my door trying to convince me that my native ancestors were decendents of the lost tribe of Israel (to which genetics and linguistics and common sense call BS!), and I guess that makes me a bigot too, but then again, not so much. I have no patience with idiocy. The facts prove otherwise. Please do not disturb me and please leave me and my househould in peace.

Please also do not push the Baptist faith on me and my fellow Texans and cause us to be unable to buy alcoholic beverages on Sunday. I do not follow your faith, and would appreciate it very much if you would leave me to live my life according to my own religious beliefs.

But also do not whine about a big cat with a big appetite in a cage. It is not a form of torture.

This is just a politically correct tempest in a teacup.

[Pipeline]

Polled cattle, Al.
Horns yanked off or horns bred out of the breed. Not cruel at all. I too have banded bull calves and rendered their scrotes useless. Not cruel, fattens 'em up for the haul off to the cattle barn so they can knock it in the head and serve it up to you. I also have had my arm in, up to my shoulder (in that most sensitive of cow areas) trying to get calf hooves in the right position to get the critter to exit properly. Last year I couldn't get the leg straight and had to call a vet. Tough to get a cow vet these days as most vets want to make the bigger bucks on keeping your kitty's from having infections from de-clawing. now that is cruel. The vet had to reach in, (of course he used a "baggy sleeve", when I just man up and reach in, pretty gross), tie a rope on and use a ratchet like device, tied to fence post, similar to a high lift jack, to yank that sucker out. Pretty cool.

The calf's name is Lucky, cuz I blew the couple hundred to get him out, but in a couple months, when I turn him into hamburger, the name won't fit. Lion in a cage has it better than cows, in my book. Although I hear lion tastes like chicken. Just another rug steak.

[Uther]

Although I hear lion tastes like chicken. Just another rug steak.

Sure you didn't contribute to this article? Why I eat Lion and other exotic meats

A few times I've been lucky to eat at a restaurant that specialized in exotic meats. Not overall too impressed with the flavors of some meats. Wish some of them did taste like chicken.

[CopperCanyonResident]

Pipeline - yes, these modern vets with their arm condoms are really a pathetic sight. I know you hated to pay that money to the vet for Lucky. I hope the meat in the freezer compensates in some measure.