Fellowship Church's "Wild" series

[caymen]

Hey I'm fine with people finding inspiration and all. But as JKTex points I too remember Tilton and of course he is not alone in that kind of preachers club. I suppose I don't inherently trust preachers that strike me way and churches that are more of about spectacle and entertainment than about worship. As a liberal it may surprise many as I tend to be I am quite traditional when it comes to religion and worship, I guess its my own thing, not looking for a rock concert to entertainment , a movie or tap dancing to keep me on message but more the word of God and a bit of reverence.

[Pipeline]

Ahhh! Bob Tilton. Been awhile since his name has been dredged up. Super loser. I think he's still in the Gulag. I too would watch 5 or 10 minutes of his diatribes, late night, back in the day, wondering what kind of idiot would send him money. Daystar, too. The Ed Young's of the world are business men, sucking the financial marrow out of those who have lost their way, and are trying to find their own salvation. Criminals. "plant the seed and reap what you sow". What a hoot. Bunch of suckers. Never ceases to amaze me, the idiots in the world, me included (according to my wife).

[josh]

Ahhh! Bob Tilton. Been awhile since his name has been dredged up. Super loser. I think he's still in the Gulag. I too would watch 5 or 10 minutes of his diatribes, late night, back in the day, wondering what kind of idiot would send him money. Daystar, too. The Ed Young's of the world are business men, sucking the financial marrow out of those who have lost their way, and are trying to find their own salvation. Criminals. "plant the seed and reap what you sow". What a hoot. Bunch of suckers. Never ceases to amaze me, the idiots in the world, me included (according to my wife).

Pipeline
I join you in your distaste of the preachers of the prosperity gospel (you will get rich if you just give to our church). However, your decision to include Ed Young in this group proves that you have no clue who Ed Young is, much less ever attended a sermon. He is in fact, on record multiple times, admonishing those that preach that message. Does the bible (from old to new testament) command us to give - yes. Does God say that he will bless us - yes. But blessing take many forms - most of which are not monetary in nature.

It amazes me people who tend to be careful in their thinking/reasoning on other topics (I would generally put you in tihs category), yet so quick to lump religious leaders in to groups based on zero first hand knowledge.

[Pipeline]

It amazes me people who tend to be careful in their thinking/reasoning on other topics (I would generally put you in tihs category), yet so quick to lump religious leaders in to groups based on zero first hand knowledge.

Pardon me, Josh. But as I have stated before. son of an Episcopal priest, went to Church every day as a yute. Can almost quote a bible verse or two. I watched the moohlah roll in and quickly understood what "church" is all about. I feel more qualified than many, to lump religious leaders wherever I choose, based on a lot more than zero first hand knowledge on the topic.

I no longer am a religious fellow. Not being a believer in Denominational worship, I do find non-denominational churches a bit suspect. FC, the Village Church, Rockgate, etc.. After Tilton, it makes me go HMMMM...

Don't really know or care to know Ed Young. He's a "dime a dozen" He's got a big building I watched get built, and a following willing to throw him their money. Absolutely fascinating. More power to him. As I said before also in previous posts, I want to build a church and find a guy who can speak "the word", and rake in the money. Religion is money. Big money.

[Common Sense Al]

I watched the moohlah roll in and quickly understood what "church" is all about.

You may have understood what that church was about, but you certainly don't understand what a "real" church is about if you think they're all the same.

[Uther]

I watched the moohlah roll in and quickly understood what "church" is all about.

You may have understood what that church was about, but you certainly don't understand what a "real" church is about if you think they're all the same.

The wealth of the Catholic Church is probably immeasurable. They even have a little country of their own. Not many Churches can claim that.

And then the Bible says that it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven... I remember our preacher twisting to explain that simile.

[Common Sense Al]

The wealth of the Catholic Church is probably immeasurable. They even have a little country of their own. Not many Churches can claim that.

And then the Bible says that it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven... I remember our preacher twisting to explain that simile.

Wow Uther... you really know a lot less about the Catholic church than you think you do... and, if I recall correctly, you've quoted several bible verses that are either irrelevant or taken out of context, or perhaps you need to explain what you're trying to say a lot more clearly because it's not making any sense.

[admin]

Pastor Ed: Uncaging the Truth

[josh]

It amazes me people who tend to be careful in their thinking/reasoning on other topics (I would generally put you in tihs category), yet so quick to lump religious leaders in to groups based on zero first hand knowledge.

Pardon me, Josh. But as I have stated before. son of an Episcopal priest, went to Church every day as a yute. Can almost quote a bible verse or two. I watched the moohlah roll in and quickly understood what "church" is all about. I feel more qualified than many, to lump religious leaders wherever I choose, based on a lot more than zero first hand knowledge on the topic.

I no longer am a religious fellow. Not being a believer in Denominational worship, I do find non-denominational churches a bit suspect. FC, the Village Church, Rockgate, etc.. After Tilton, it makes me go HMMMM...

Don't really know or care to know Ed Young. He's a "dime a dozen" He's got a big building I watched get built, and a following willing to throw him their money. Absolutely fascinating. More power to him. As I said before also in previous posts, I want to build a church and find a guy who can speak "the word", and rake in the money. Religion is money. Big money.

You just proved my point. You admit you don't know him but are competely comfortable lumping him in to a group that he doesn't belong in. I just don't see you using that line of reasoning in othe areas of life. Oh well.

You are aware that the first church (Acts chapter 2) grew by 3000 in one day. Man, you probably really hate that church.

[Common Sense Al]

Pastor Ed: Uncaging the Truth

He's missing the point. No one is saying creativity is not good. What is not good is when the creativity is morally questionable or when it detracts from, instead of enhances, the message. Not all creativity is good creativity. Christ only used the good stuff, and used it to enhance the message, not detract from it.

I'd like to know more about his claim that WFAA basically lied when they said Grapevine denied their permit.

[josh]

Pastor Ed: Uncaging the Truth

He's missing the point. No one is saying creativity is not good. What is not good is when the creativity is morally questionable or when it detracts from, instead of enhances, the message. Not all creativity is good creativity. Christ only used the good stuff, and used it to enhance the message, not detract from it.

I'd like to know more about his claim that WFAA basically lied when they said Grapevine denied their permit.

Al
I am getting closer to agreeing with you, at least on this last statement. I agree that immoral creativity is not good. And if that is the only sticking point then it really just boils down to your view of wild animals in captivity - NO MATTER the setting. That is a debate that people can have regardless of church involvement. My view is that you can treat wild animals with respect in certain caged settings. People may disagree and that is ok. Your concern about detracting from the message, at least in this case, should have been put to rest by now given the impact that one message had on thousands of people.

So it seems that you agree that creativity is good. So do I. Christ was the most creative speaker of all. Christians should be creative as well in order to reach those that are not drawn to the church just to be "preached to".

[FloMoDa]

I no longer am a religious fellow. Not being a believer in Denominational worship, I do find non-denominational churches a bit suspect. FC, the Village Church, Rockgate, etc.. After Tilton, it makes me go HMMMM...

Well you can take the Village Church off this list because they are clearly not non-denominational. Not sure where you are getting that information.

[Pipeline]

You are aware that the first church (Acts chapter 2) grew by 3000 in one day. Man, you probably really hate that church.

Josh, come on now. I said I "might" could quote a Bible verse or two. That doesn't mean I read much past the "Eve was naked part". I get bored quickly. And I certainly don't recall "Acts" being a chapter in the Bible, although if you say it is in there, it probably is. I don't own a copy. I have my own moral compass, and a certain moral turpitude, attained on my own, achieved without religious spectacles or "fire and brimstone".

And to FloMoDa, if ain't the First Baptist, United Methodist, or The Church of Latter Day Saints, The village church well could be the oak tree church, to me.

"lions and tigers and bears, Oh my."

[FloMoDa]

And to FloMoDa, if ain't the First Baptist, United Methodist, or The Church of Latter Day Saints, The village church well could be the oak tree church, to me."

It's been Highland Village First Baptist Church for 25 years, and still is.

[JKTex]

It's been Highland Village First Baptist Church for 25 years, and still is.

You learn something new every day!! I wonder how many churches have a dba like that? I wonder why too? Seems it could be good and bad depending on whether they wanted to attract people looking for a Baptist church, or a way to attract people looking for something different. That's very interesting.....