nyuce wrote:josh wrote:
You made a statement earlier: "....In a secular society there are many "truths", yours, mine, and others."
I just want to know...is that statement true?
Thank you for answering. But that begs the question. Is that statement - â€¦there are many truthsâ€¦ - "true for you" or is it also "true for me"? If it is true for everyone, havenâ€™t you just contradicted yourself? Because I thought you said there are "many truths". And if something is â€œtrue for everyoneâ€â€¦well, there canâ€™t be â€œmany truthsâ€.[/unquote/]
Obviously you haven't noticed that I placed "truth" in brackets meaning I don't subscribe to that kind of terminology. What I am trying very hard to make you understand that this is not a unilaterally Christian society, there are Jewish, Moslem, Hindu, Shamans, Ateists, Agnostics and they work just as hard as you do, they pay taxes just as much as you do, and they die for this country just like any other. Pushing your "truths" or beliefs (the term I prefer) down the throats of others who have beliefs other than yours, is no different than to those we declare war. Look around you and you will find a Moslem doctor treating your child, a Hindu teacher at school, a Jewish businessman owns the company you work...etc.. Do you think those people have any lesser rights in this country just because they do not believe in your "truth" and prefer to stay with their own "truths"? During Rita and now Ike, I have opened up my house to people whose beliefs are totally against my beliefs - Do you think it mattered to me or them?
My husband and I worked very hard for what we have and have not received a penny from the system. Yet, I believe my taxes should go to help poor, underprivileged families of this country, without any regard to what they believe is the "truth". Helping at Church, Mosque, Synagogue, Temple, etc is good but you are helping only those around you and the need is for organized dependable continuous help, that is why taxes are important. For the same token, I would like to have safer streets, so I wouldn't mind my taxes going to police forces. I also help my family who have some members in need and take care of my mother (she is in another country) totally out of my pocket without even considering the fact that I am paying taxes to help some of your parents health and welfare. Am I liberal or conservative by your standards. I prefer to believe I am neither.[/quote]
You have constructed a completely make believe belief system for me - one I do not hold. Please show me where I have argued for forcing my beleifs about Christianity on anyone. Please show me where I have said I will only welcome Christians into my home. Show me where I have said this is a "unilaterally Christian society" (whatever that means). You have constructed a nice little argument to attack but I hate to tell you...its not my argument. You may have the wrong message board, not sure.
I'm not sure what you mean by unilaterally Christian society? If you are questioning what the majority religious beliefs of the US are - they are a matter of public record. I think it was posted on here recently. If you question to belief system of the founding fathers that too is historical record. They were by in large theists.
Even if I were to take your side of the argument and say that "Christians force their beliefs on people". You are down right confused if you think having a group of Mormons or Christians from the local church knock on your door during dinner is the same as a group of Islamists who cut people's neck off for not converting are equal. Confused!