Lantana07 wrote:I am sort of speechless, Al. What books have you been reading lately? To be honest, these last few posts by you don't really sound like you from what you've written on other topics. You seem to have adopted a, "hey, if it works for you, then believe what you want and you'll get to heaven" attitude. I only wish it were that unfettered. But we both know what the Bible say's on this, Al. What other religions qualify for heaven in your world view? Hindu? They don't believe in one god...Budhists? They don't either...What makes a person good enough for heaven if they don't believe in the creator?
I found this:http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3212
There's no list of religions... there's no requirement that you HAVE to be a certain religion.
Pius IX wrote:We all know that those who suffer from invincible ignorance with regard to our holy religion, if they carefully keep the precepts of the natural law which have been written by God in the hearts of all men, if they are prepared to obey God, and if they lead a virtuous and dutiful life, can, by the power of divine light and grace, attain eternal life. For God, who knows completely the minds and souls, the thoughts and habits of all men, will not permit, in accord with His infinite goodness and mercy, anyone who is not guilty of a voluntary fault to suffer eternal punishment (no. 7).
Lantana07 wrote:Your comments beg numerous other questions:
1. How does one obtain a well-formed concious? How do you know when you have it?
Excellent question. I suspect it is by aligning yourself to God's church... if you want a well-formed conscience, then you need a good foundation to form it, and that's what God's church (Catholic church) provides. How do you know when you have it? I'm not sure if it is ever complete on earth... it is a journey... but an very interesting topic to research.
Lantana07 wrote:2. The Bible mentions (numerous times) that there is only one way to heaven. If other religions teach otherwise, then yes, by the Bible I read, that means they have chosen the path that will lead to not salvation but to damnation. Not my words, bro. What do you believe? Why bother being a Catholic at all? Or any religion?
Again, you have to interpret the bible correctly in its full context, and if you do that, then you do not HAVE to have certain beliefs or religions to get into heaven (see the pope's quote above). So why be Catholic? Because the truth matters and it's best to know the truth. You can receive graces that would not otherwise be available. The true church can guide you in God's path, not paths made up by man and man's religions and those corrupted by man. Also, we are "designed" to try to seek out the truth.
Lantana07 wrote:3. How exactly do you surmise that people who actively don't believe in God (atheists) will be in heaven? Curious where you heard that...
First, we are not to judge people... so saying that all athiests will end up in hell is judging people. God knows what is in the conscience, knows if they've tried to be good people, even though they may make the mistake (in good conscience) of not believing in God there is always the possibility that they can get to heaven. However, they'd be better off believing and following Christ.
Lantana07 wrote:This is fascinating to me...
Yes, it is very interesting. Maybe we should get a group together for an interesting discussion (if truly interested)? We could spend more time on it.