Trayvon Martin

[Common Sense Al]

Let me get this straight... about the "stand your ground" law.

You can have a license to carry a weapon, then approach or chase someone & instigate a fight with them, then fear for your safety and then shoot them, claim "self defense", and it's legal/justifiable?

[LA_Native]

crock o' shat if you ask me...

[JKTex]

Not hardly. That case is being exploited by more groups than fracking.

Stand you ground has been long protested by by some nut job whackos in Florida and they're using that case to make their case that the ability to protect yourself is bad.

What will come out is that Zimmerman is a self proclaimed "Sheriff in town" that confronted Martin, scared him then he pursued him after hanging up on 911 who just told him that an LEO was around the corner and not to go after Martin. I understand his fear, a scary out of town teen walking in the rain armed with a bottle of Arizona Iced Tea and a bag of skittles for his brother, but those types are best left for SWAT to take down. <sarcasm>

BTW, Zimmerman has been "protected" from a few violent changes in the past which are questionable. Assault on an officer (bar fight with an undercover officer) and domestic assault issues and he's only in his mu 20's. His Mommy and Daddy, both in the court system I'm sure have been covering and protecting him for a long time. He should not have been bale to get a CWP, as they call it down there because it's not a license for a gun, it's a license to carry any of several weapons.

He's going down for killing Martin, as he should. I'm not sure what the press conference was tonight, but Sheriff do nothing stepped aside after a vote of no confidence from the council, and I'm sure he'll be out of a job, as will others I'm sure. It's a simple case that will be exploited by everyone for gain of many things, primarily political. Of course it'll be dragged out as much as possible as a racial thing too. It's simply an idiot moron that will have plenty of companionship in Prison.

I feel for Martins family. Sounds like he was a good kid that had the misfortune of crossing paths with someone that wanted to be a hero for all the wrong reasons.

[Uther]

Let me get this straight... about the "stand your ground" law.

You can have a license to carry a weapon, then approach or chase someone & instigate a fight with them, then fear for your safety and then shoot them, claim "self defense", and it's legal/justifiable?

Chutzpah - killing your parents and then pleading for mercy from the Court on account you are an orphan.

As for the actual content of your outrage - I wish you'd link a specific article so I can read what you perceive the current state of play is. As far as I can see, the investigation hasn't yet played out and an arrest may well still be made. I'd rather see that they arrest him on solid grounds rather than on the heels of a frenzy.

If he acted within the law, then so be it. Perhaps Florida is a greater state than we all imagined....

[FreecitizenFM]

The authorities in this particular Florida hamlet have stepped in it so many ways..it will take forever to sort it out.

The person that killed him ( and remains free and unarmed) is one issue. I agree with The idea that he needs to be arrested for the right reasons and solid grounds.
To add insult to injury:
Apparently the kid lay in the morgue for 3 days and NO ONE thought to tie his corpse to the parents looking for him. Nor did they press "mom" or "dad" in the directory on his cell phone.

The whole matter appears to have been bungled so far.

[skiing1974]

But the Constitution says...

[FreecitizenFM]

But the Constitution says...

Your point?

[JKTex]

But the Constitution says...

It doesn't say that a civilian wannabe LEO can go after someone who's walking down the street doing nothing but trying to get back to his relatives house before getting completely soaked in the rain. That's all Martin was doing when Zimmerman went after him.

A witness has said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman after Zimmerman got out of his car, hung up on 911 and went after Martin after 911 told him LEO was one the way and gave him good advice, don't go after him. That's what he's laying self defense on, and some are laying "stand your ground" on. The problem is, you can't instigate a confrontation to put yourself in a situation of having to defend yourself. The kid was walking home and Zimmerman went after him because he "looked suspicious. Ya, he's a 17 yr old black kid walking down the street with skittle and Arizona Iced Tea, in the rain.

Zimmerman is an idiot and he's going to pay for it.

[skiing1974]

JKtex, I posted simpy to see that there will be answers supporting both sides in this I don't disagree with you, I may not even disagree with the opposite view.

[JKTex]

:lol: JKtex, I posted simpy to see that there will be answers supporting both sides in this I don't disagree with you, I may not even disagree with the opposite view.

Oh I know, I just had my typing fingers ready to go and needed someplace to let them rip!

[josh]

I am just getting caught up on this story and generally like to wait for all the facts to come out. However, while I am a full supporter of my right to be armed, anywhere, anytime...I am not a supporter of stupidity. IF this guy was wrong he should pay to the full extent permitted. I have read 3 or 4 reputable stories and each one seems to have a new/ different "fact".

[JKTex]

You're right Josh. And it's being so politicized it's not even funny. The Chief that stepped down should have been fired, or taken action on whoever it was that decided it was open and shut. The guy has a past and he obviously did more than 1 thing that was a clear indicator that he was not acting as a "neighborhood watch", but stepping way out, trying to get the jump on the PD.

And now Obama just released comments about race, and warm an fuzzy banter for those ignorant enough to believe he's not using it as a platform for more than 1 goal.

A simple PD investigation would end it, but there's no way in hell people aren't going to jump on this circus and exploit it now. It's got Rodney King-like potential.