Komen foundation & Planned Parenthood

[sandy brake]

Yuppers, it ain’t gonna happen. Ever consider just not opening the thread?

[JKTex]

Josh, it's because maybe, just maybe, your question or comments aren't directed at anyone here. I've never seen anyone say anything remotely close to "pro-abortion".

You can't shoe horn people in to a position they don't support just to try to prove your position.

You "radicals" just don't get it. You try to fabricate enemies to prove yourself, and you miss on both counts.

[Common Sense Al]

I've never seen anyone say anything remotely close to "pro-abortion".

That's funny... I've noticed at least two people posting in this thread who have taken pro-abortion positions... perhaps you are not seeing the same messages I am seeing?

[skiing1974]

Pro-choice Mr.Al, pro-choice, that does not mean pro-abortion. I am not pro-abortion, but I am for a woman, any woman, to have a choice what to do. All you pro-lifers keep avoiding addressing that. The fact that you equate pro-choice to pro-abortion isn't my problem

[Common Sense Al]

All you pro-lifers keep avoiding addressing that.

Hmmmm... this has been addressed... what hasn't are the questions directed to the pro-abortion camp about the point at which human life begins... if it doesn't begin at conception, then when exactly does it begin? That is what has not been addressed, instead there is silence (for good reason though since they don't have any answers!).

The fact that you equate pro-choice to pro-abortion isn't my problem

Again, pro-abortion means one is FOR (PRO) ABORTION FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS ONE. If people don't understand that, then it's not my problem.

Test:
Are you for (pro) the 'right' to an abortion for anyone who wants one?
If answer is YES, then you're PRO-ABORTION (the 'right' to an abortion if you want one)
If answer is NO, then you're PRO-LIFE (no 'rights' to kill unborn children)

And the term 'pro-choice' is meaningless and even derogatory when it's used to support someone's 'freedom' (choice) to harm another. Thus, the term has been corrupted.

[JKTex]

Pro-choice Mr.Al, pro-choice, that does not mean pro-abortion. I am not pro-abortion, but I am for a woman, any woman, to have a choice what to do. All you pro-lifers keep avoiding addressing that. The fact that you equate pro-choice to pro-abortion isn't my problem

We're fighting a losing battle. They don't open their eyes or ears, they hear and see what they want, which is manipulated into the context they want. Hand then an apple and they'll refuse to open their eyes so they can argue that it's a watermelon, and in their closed mind, they'll believe it's a watermelon.

[Common Sense Al]

They don't open their eyes or ears, they hear and see what they want, which is manipulated into the context they want. Hand then an apple and they'll refuse to open their eyes so they can argue that it's a watermelon, and in their closed mind, they'll believe it's a watermelon.

And the same couldn't be said for the other side too?

Open your eyes - see the truth - stop believing the lies - be PRO-LIFE!

[skiing1974]

I said pro-lifers didn't address woman's right, you said it had been addressed, just to explain when the life starts in your head. Different subject. Last time, I dont care when the cell becomes fetus becomes life in your mind Al, or in my mind, or in Pope's mind. You can call me pro abortion in the case one is pro choice, your choice again. I put woman's right ahead of all that, regardless of any other argument. End of story. Now you address woman's right (no, it hasn't been addressed). Does a woman have a right to choose? And do you not understand me being pro-choice and anti-abortion has nothing to do with woman's body and her right to choose, simply because I do not get to choose, nor do you, what a woman chooses?

[Common Sense Al]

Last time, I dont care when the cell becomes fetus becomes life in your mind Al, or in my mind, or in Pope's mind.

Really.

You don't care when human life becomes human life? I guess you think it's OK to dispose (kill) of unwanted children, even after birth? Because if you don't care when human life begins, then I guess you could kill anyone you want and justify it as life had not started yet or you just 'don't care'. Really?

Now you address woman's right (no, it hasn't been addressed). Does a woman have a right to choose?

Responded to here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8424&p=58422#p58422

[JKTex]

They don't open their eyes or ears, they hear and see what they want, which is manipulated into the context they want. Hand then an apple and they'll refuse to open their eyes so they can argue that it's a watermelon, and in their closed mind, they'll believe it's a watermelon.

And the same couldn't be said for the other side too?

Open your eyes - see the truth - stop believing the lies - be PRO-LIFE!

Nope, it can't. The problem is that "your side" is a side with a box around it and you can't see out of that box. If you could, you'd see you're fighting with a ghost.

You're plain missing the point because you're too wrapped up in what you believe.

Here's a clue, who says "the other side" isn't supportive of life.

[Common Sense Al]

Nope, it can't. The problem is that "your side" is a side with a box around it and you can't see out of that box.

Funny, I see a box around your side.

Here's a clue, who says "the other side" isn't supportive of life.

Hmmm.......... maybe the fact that 'the other side' wants to allow the killing of life says that they aren't supportive of it? You have to apply a little logic & common sense here... but just a little.

[skiing1974]

sure Al, I care, just not enough to put it ahead of a woman involved. Thousands of raped women in Balkan wars becoming pregnant, you will deny them the right to choose? Sorry pal, never going to convince me, or more importantly, them. Just one example and if there is one, there are plenty of them. Our pleasant suburbia lives have nothing in common with some of the situations.

[Common Sense Al]

Thousands of raped women in Balkan wars becoming pregnant, you will deny them the right to choose?

You mean the right to kill their innocent unborn children?... the problem is they don't have that right... and it's not because *I* say so, so take me out of it. Human rights don't come from me, so argue with the one who they come from instead.

[Pipeline]

sure Al, I care, just not enough to put it ahead of a woman involved. Thousands of raped women in Balkan wars becoming pregnant, you will deny them the right to choose? Sorry pal, never going to convince me, or more importantly, them. Just one example and if there is one, there are plenty of them. Our pleasant suburbia lives have nothing in common with some of the situations.

In the case of rape, really a different issue. If one of my daughters is raped and becomes pregnant, she won't be pregnant for long. And it will be done with a clear conscience, without anyone else's moral interference. And on that subject, if the "perp" were found, and the opportunity arose, which it eventually would, a bullet in his brain pan, again, with a clear conscience.

We do not live in the Dark Ages or the Inquisition. This is a New World Order. Get with it.

[sandy brake]

Right On, Skiing1974, Pipeline and JKTex! Thank goodness sane people do exist.