Komen foundation & Planned Parenthood

[josh]

I stand up for the right of women to speak out against men, women or any governmental agency who feels they have a right to control my body, by removing my right to birth control, Plan B, or having an abortion.

Forced birth, planned marriages and general governmental interference in personal decisions unfortunately are still common in communist and facist governments around the world today. I do not want to see it in my country.

I have not read anyone on here who wants to control YOUR body. We simply want the same protections for that separate and distinct body inside you is all. If it were merely an issue of pulling teeth or having an apendix removed nobody would care one whit. Unfortunately, it is another human being that is completely distinct from you that causes the outrage.

[skiing1974]

I am not very versed in qouting here with this system and then responding, so I will use caps here to respond...no, am not yelling dear CCR.

On the other hand, for my dear friend CCR, what would you change and put in place and take out if you were running the land to put it back to where it was and how would you address the fact that population isn't the same as it was back then, starting with us damn immigrants who came and certainly contributed in all positive and negative ways to change the land? I

I've been rather hard on you lately, Skiing Slavic Immigrant. Thanks for posting your question the way you did. I TRY SIR.

Please keep in mind that the Founding Fathers were folks who benefitted from thousands of years of history, and came to their conclusions based on that history. They were well-read in classical literature, and therefore understood the nature of man, and the limits of politics. SO THEY SOUND TO ME LIKE INTELLECTUALS YOU HAVE BEEN HARD ON LATELY.

Uther makes a good point, although he struggles to make a good, tight, concise argument. I think I get his point though - what is the ideal point in the past that we ought to go back to? How about to 1830 when Africans were enslaved? Was that an ideal era? I think that is what he had in mind, and yes, given human frailty, one would fail to find a perfect point in time save perhaps one: A. D. 33 or thereabouts. THIS TELLS ME WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR FROM YOU. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ANY LAND IN THE WORLD IS THE SAME AS 182 YEARS AGO?

I am very skeptical of those who push for Utopia here on Earth. Utopia means no place, and that is why those who seek heaven on Earth tend to bring only such things as the concentration camp, the gulag archipelago, and the Chinese laogai. I DON'T PUSH UTOPIA, I WAS MORE REFERRING TO YOUR VIEW OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN 2012 AS ONE...ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU COMPARE IT TO 1830.

I can offer some suggestions as to what we ought to seek as a nation. Those things are:

- A recognition of the sanctity of human life. If humans can decide what is human life, then human life will soon be degraded. I WILL NOT GO INTO ABORTION HERE AS WE HAVE OTHER PLACES FOR THAT. WERE YOU FOR THE IRAQ WAR? WERE YOU FOR AFGHANISTAN WAR? WERE YOU FOR KOSOVO WAR? IF YOU SAY NO TO ALL, I AM WITH YOU, IF YOU SAY YES, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN BEING FOR WORTHLESS WARS AND SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE.

- A return to the belief that the Constitution actually means what it says. A recogntition of the Bill of Rights as being inviolate. A complete and total abandonment of the idea that the Constitution has "penumbras." AGREED, WITH SOME UPDATES TO IT TO 2.0 BEING IT IS A DIFFERENT ERA?

- An firm resolve to rid the US of Marxist ideas - a complete and total purging of Academe of Marxist professors and the ideas they are pushing that are contrary to our ideas as a people. The Marxist ideas are not consistent with our founding. They are foreign ideas that have failed whenever and whereever they have been tried. They are anti-human, and anti-Christian. They are based on the failed idea that we can achieve heaven on Earth. Marxism is the modern day equivalent of the Tower of Babel. FIRST OF ALL, DID FOUNDING FATHERS STATE THAT ONLY SOME IDEAS AND FREEDOMS ARE ALLOWED, NOT ALL OF THEM? I SAID IT BEFORE, NOT SURE WHAT COLLEGE YOU WENT TO, BUT I CERTAINLY WASN'T IN ANY SORT OF MARXIST BRAINWASHING AT 2 I WENT TO. YOU CAN CALL THOSE IDEAS ANTI-HUMAN, I WILL AGREE. CALLING THEM ANTI-CHRISTIAN SIMPLY BECAUSE COMMUNISTS AND MARXISTS DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD IS, WELL, FUNNY. WHAT PARTS OF MARXIST THEORY IS ANTI-CHRISTIAN?

- A return to self-reliance. Too many modern Americans are pathetic drones dependent on the State. That is NOT what America is about, and will end badly. AGREED.

- A return to the sanctify of the family as the building block of society - a unique and inviolate institution. Families come about through procreation. Procreation can only take place when a man and a women engage in sexual congress. Homosexual "marriage" is an infertile farce, and is not only contrary to the laws of God, but also contrary to the laws of Nature. That much is self-evident, regardless of one's religions inclinations, or lack thereof. AGREED.

- A return to true free markets - as opposed to the corporatist, rigged game here in the US, that is nothing more than the nexus of big business and big government. How can mankind remain free in such an "economy?" MF Global is a fitting example. AGREED.

- A return to freedom. We believe we live in a free country, but do we really? Those of us old enough to remember what a free American was like should be appalled by modern America. Whenever I hear the National Anthem, I want to vomit, because I know what Americe was and what America IS. It most certainly is NOT a free country anymore, and the remaining freedoms we have are slipping away at an exponential rate. AGREED, BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT WORLD TODAY. WHO ENACTED THE PATRIOT ACT THAT TO ME IS THE BIGGEST OBVIOUS ATTACK ON FREEDOMS IN THE LAST 20 YEARS? BUT AREN'T SOME FREEDOMS GOING TO GO AWAY WITH THE NEW WORLD ORDER?

- A return to the belief that the State exists to serve the people - not the other way round. AGREED. BUT TO WHAT CAPACITY?

Those are some initial ideas that spring to mind. There are likely more buried in the deep recessess of my aged mind, but the above is a start. I have a grand-daughter whining for attention, so I must say good-night for now.

If any immigrant comes to these shores, and recognizes and appreciates our ideals, he will be welcomed as one of our brethren. If, however, any immigrant comes to our shores and denigrates our ideas, and works to overthrow what is the last great hope of humanity, then he should be recognized for the threat that he is and should be attacked, ridiculed, and ridden out of the country on a rail - even if he is the current occupant of the White House, a bastard brat born to a Kenyan Communist.

Oh, and Sandy Brake - we all belong to one race and it is called mankind or man. Gender is not an issue here. Please put down your current copy of Cosmopolitan and start to read something meaningful. It is not 1978 anymore. Time has moved on and your mindless crap is just pathetic now. No one cares now about such gender oriented mind-candy. Pick up a piece of classical literature and learn something meaningful. Human beings are ALL fallen creatures, whether they have testicles or a vagina. Please spare us the 1970s "I am woman hear me roar" crap. It is even more pathetic than an episode of Oprah.

[Pipeline]

These postings of late have been enlightening and fun to read. Keep up the gold work!

Certainly fun to read, but "enlightening", I think not.

[CopperCanyonResident]

Hmm.

I may have gotten the thread off a bit. That was not what I intended, but I apologize nonetheless. I'll open a new thread soon to continue the broader topic.

I had intended to make the point that the arguments about life v. choice, etc. were really part of a larger issue. I think I failed to make that clear. Again, my apologies.

Sandy Brake - the topic is not about women's bodies. It is about the political fall-out surrounding Komen's decision not to have financial ties to Planned Parenthood because they were being naughty. That is Komen;s policy. But Komen was forced by folks like you to reverse their policy in this case because Abortion is a sacred cow in the US these days.

And no, Communist countries do not push forced births. Quite the reverse - at least in China. They hunt down pregnant women there with their 8 or 9 month pregnant bellies poking out and force them to undergo a late term abortion. Former Communist Russia has a plummeting population because under Communist rule Abortion was encouraged and was used as a form of birth control. That lead to infertility in many Russian women, and that combined with many other social ills in Russia is leading to a population collapse. Putin knows it which is why he came up with a baby bonus payment a few years back. No men = no army = no defense against the restive neighbors.

That you would say something to the contrary was really shocking. You need to pay attention to what is going on in the world. Cosmo don't cut it sister. I don't care how many sex postions they claim they can share with you.

[Pipeline]

I don't care how many sex postions they claim they can share with you.

I don't read cosmo, but what have I missed by not being a subscriber? and can I get back issues online?

[CopperCanyonResident]

I don't care how many sex postions they claim they can share with you.

I don't read cosmo, but what have I missed by not being a subscriber? and can I get back issues online?

Just look at the craptacular glossy mags in the check out line at the store. You'll see. You'll see why our country is going down the toilet.

You may not buy food at the store, but I am sure you buy the odd box of ammunition or motor oil or shop rags, or cold beer so the next time you go to the WalMart, check out in the main check out lines and not the garden center where I would bet big money you normally check out (nearest the sporting goods and home and garden stuff).

[Common Sense Al]

Here's what you've been missing...

[CopperCanyonResident]

Hah! Hilarous.

Note the complete and total lack of originality - the sex bits are always highlighted in the top left portion of the cover.

I think it is really getting tired for them too!

Too funny. Thanks for getting those up there for all to see.

If I were Sandy Brake, I would be harping about this crap. This hurts women by making them feel less than comfortable in their own skin because they compare themselves to the perfect airbrushed gal on the cover. There is one every month! Everyone ought to look this good! What is wrong with me, many a "liberated" woman may asked. Nothing of course, but this purtrid excrement sure tends to make women feel that way.

"How to make choices you'll never regret." Like buying a copy of Cosmo!

[Common Sense Al]

I wonder whether sandy brake enjoyed "Get a Healthy, Sexy Vagina", "Am I Normal Down There?", or "50 Fun Things to Do Bare-Assed" better?

Now that Pipeline is excited, rather than go out spending all your money on Cosmo issues, just see if you can borrow from sandy brake's large stash.

I jest of course... so don't take it too seriously.

But really, do they still have these things at the checkout for all to see? I've seen lots of crap there... I'll have to see if Cosmo is one of them. Now that I think about it, I don't recall Target having mags but I think Walmart does... I'll have to pay more attention to the trash.

[Hog Caller]

What I've seen in the checkout lines are usually pictures of stars who are having a bad body day at the beach or the market. I sure would hate to be a celebrity! If there is a skeleton in your closet then there will always be a pack of paparazzi and eagerly awaiting tabloid editors searching how to access and exploit it. Seriously, these people have cast iron hearts that maintain a constant temperature of minus twenty degrees. If there is a deep grief or tradegy in your life then that will be front page gossip until the bucket is emptied and every third-hand piece of information about the matter has been thoroughly exploited. La dolce vita -- sure?

[Pipeline]

You may not buy food at the store, but I am sure you buy the odd box of ammunition or motor oil or shop rags, or cold beer so the next time you go to the WalMart, check out in the main check out lines and not the garden center where I would bet big money you normally check out (nearest the sporting goods and home and garden stuff).

CCR, you got me pegged.

No food. I start at the west end to get my carbs (beer aisle) trying not to bash into the wine displays. "Clean up in the Wine dept." over the speakers is usually me. Caught Mayor Sue there once but hey, everybody has to have some Austi Spumanti in the fridge for the errant guest. Then I dash thru the main aisle, thru the female hygiene products, cut over, grab a bag of dog food. Slip down the north aisle passing shoes I don't wear, big screens I can't afford, slip down sporting goods, grab a box of paint balls (gotta stay active) and a box of 357 shells or some 30/30's (love lever action and need to stay stocked up). Then it is down the east aisle, grab a gallon of Quaker State oil (religious thing and the F150 leaks like you wouldn't believe), maybe some shop rags or a new car jack, weave over to the garden center for a bag of charcoal and lighter fluid (no quick lite for me). Quick checkout, wave to the guy in the wheelchair, and out the door. Bammo! No opportunity or time for magazines.

[YellowRose]

Texas taxpayers' money is not used to fund abortions, so the Federal Government stops funding health care and birth control assistance for low-income women? What sense does that make and who gets hurt in this tug of war?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/ ... _multiline

[CopperCanyonResident]

CCR, you got me pegged.

No food. I start at the west end to get my carbs (beer aisle) trying not to bash into the wine displays. "Clean up in the Wine dept." over the speakers is usually me. Caught Mayor Sue there once but hey, everybody has to have some Austi Spumanti in the fridge for the errant guest. Then I dash thru the main aisle, thru the female hygiene products, cut over, grab a bag of dog food. Slip down the north aisle passing shoes I don't wear, big screens I can't afford, slip down sporting goods, grab a box of paint balls (gotta stay active) and a box of 357 shells or some 30/30's (love lever action and need to stay stocked up). Then it is down the east aisle, grab a gallon of Quaker State oil (religious thing and the F150 leaks like you wouldn't believe), maybe some shop rags or a new car jack, weave over to the garden center for a bag of charcoal and lighter fluid (no quick lite for me). Quick checkout, wave to the guy in the wheelchair, and out the door. Bammo! No opportunity or time for magazines.

I know who you are, Pipeline!

You are the guy who has a short 5 minute piece every morning on 95.3 FM at 8:30! You are Earl Pitts, aren't you! I wondered how you made a living, and now I know. You are a syndicated radio personality, living right here among us in Copper Canyon, Texas!

I have officially added you to my hero list.

[skiing1974]

Yesterday afternoon, local news had a piece on Komen's financial struggles in light of their Planned Parnethood decision. Signups for the races are down 30-40%, as well as are the donations.

[Common Sense Al]

Yesterday afternoon, local news had a piece on Komen's financial struggles in light of their Planned Parnethood decision. Signups for the races are down 30-40%, as well as are the donations.

Yes, I saw that and thought about posting it. I can't say I'm sad about such things happening to any organization that gives money to PP, but I am sad for the 'innocents' caught in the middle. Komen should have stuck with their original decision (which was the right one of course ).