Komen foundation & Planned Parenthood

[Hog Caller]

Sorry, this I too much fun, I've got to get in on this one: OK Skying, using your criteria, your wife could be emotionally done with you and ask you when you are asleep after a few beers if "you want to live" and then rightfully blow you away with a newly purchased Saturday might special when you don't answer her and she would be totlally justified for her actions because of your silence when she gave you a choice.

[sandy brake]

Wow. “Having too much fun?” Which part are you "having too much fun" with? Women being raped and not having a choice? Women incapable of raising a child but does not have a choice? Having too much fun with laws instituted largely by men which does not even require the male counterpart any responsibility? At all?

A real laugh o rama

[Uther]

Jaw, jaw, jaw. Barbs, slings and arrows.....


Yaaaawnnnnn............ zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Common Sense Al]

Wow. “Having too much fun?” Which part are you "having too much fun" with? Women being raped and not having a choice? Women incapable of raising a child but does not have a choice? Having too much fun with laws instituted largely by men which does not even require the male counterpart any responsibility? At all?

A real laugh o rama

Some people just don't get it... and may never get it, but fortunately some will, like Roe in Roe vs Wade (and countless others who have "figured it out" after being pro-abortion or having an abortion). I can only hope that one say "sandy brake" will get it too.

[skiing1974]

Luckily Al, choice is here to stay. It is laughable why you wouldn't address at least the extreme case of a rape and why a woman shouldn't have a choice then. Or simply you don't care, woman who was raped should be treated as the egg inside and be forced to carry the baby? And I am sure there are women there who didn't have an abortion, but wish they did, or had abortion and are happy it went the way it did, opposite to your examples.

[Common Sense Al]

It is laughable why you wouldn't address at least the extreme case of a rape and why a woman shouldn't have a choice then.

Huh??? This (why abortion is wrong) has been addressed so many times I'm not going to do it again because you'll miss it again.

I find it laughable how you don't address the flaws in your "why it's OK to kill" argument (which at least two people pointed out).

And I am sure there are women there who didn't have an abortion, but wish they did, or had abortion and are happy it went the way it did, opposite to your examples.

I can't imagine someone who chose not to have an abortion and then was unhappy at the choice... but in any case, it doesn't matter because a person's wishes or unhappiness doesn't justify terminating innocent human life.

[caymen]

It does seem some just don't get it, like those who don't personally have a uterus or have given birth. Oh gee whiz does that sound as if without the baby equipment you don't get a voice, well gosh darnnit then I guess that's exactly what I mean. If men can sit back and make life changing decisions for women all the while choosing not to hear or see the reality of the lives that many women end up leading and how their children end up paying, well then gosh darnnit that's the reality of it. Men choose not to listen, women choose to hear.
This is not about pro-choice / pro-life any more this about BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control that has a huge impact on the pro-choice/pro-life argument.
That argument won't go away and it's highly unlikely that without some major life changing event specifically regarding said procedure neither side will change their personal opinion. I will continue to be pro-choice as I have seen many things in my half a century that have supported a woman's right to choose. And I am sure the right to life people can say the same thing. What I cannot fathom is how any reasonable person who claims to want to stop or cut down on abortion could have ANY argument against effective birth control. I don't give a crap if you think it's immoral, a sin or whatever but if you are a "thinking" and "rational" personal you must realize that you have no control over other people, their behavior and their morals ( whether you like it or not) It doesn't matter if you think premarital sex is bad, or sex without procreation is a sin but you must realize there are people that do "thingy" because they like it and they aren't likely to stop because you want them to. So would you rather they continue to do IT without protection and risk an abortion ( even if it were illegal- legality never stopped a woman determined to end a pregnancy) or would you rather they ( even in all their sinful immorality try and prevent an unwanted pregnancy by taking a little pill every day? Gosh how hard a choice is that?

[Common Sense Al]

So would you rather they continue to do IT without protection and risk an abortion ( even if it were illegal- legality never stopped a woman determined to end a pregnancy) or would you rather they ( even in all their sinful immorality try and prevent an unwanted pregnancy by taking a little pill every day? Gosh how hard a choice is that?

That "little pill" is a big part of the reason we're in the mess we're in now... it leads to moral decline & more abortions because more people think they are now free to "play around", thinking there won't be any consequences, but there are ALWAYS consequences. It doesn't bring freedom (which many think it does), it brings something worse to society (to say it lightly). For many, it's hard to see the connection and many won't or will refuse too, but it's evident if you take an unbiased look at what that "little pill" has brought & the kind of thinking it has produced to justify 'loose sex' & 'one nighters' for purely selfish reasons. And that type of thinking and behavior never brings true freedom.

[skiing1974]

Morality 101, brought to you by Pope, Al and Rick Santorum. They will also demonstrate to you proper contraceptive methods (wait, they don't have that part of the body required for it!) and end the course by instructing you the best ways to keep your feminine side...

[Common Sense Al]

Morality 101, brought to you by Pope, Al and Rick Santorum.

Well when you stick with the truth you can't go wrong!

Hey skiing1974, I recommend the documentary "The Case for Christ"... it's made for unbelievers like yourself (made by a self-described atheist).

[skiing1974]

Usual stuff...preaching if you aren't religious, religious side sends you some places to read, listen to or watch crap. If you are not religious, you tell the religious guy "good for you, now just leave me the hell alone".

[Common Sense Al]

Usual stuff...preaching

It's not "preaching"... check it out... made by someone that sounds like you and then he decided to spend time and do some research. You do believe in research & science, right?

[skiing1974]

if I give a crap one day, I might. But don't count on it my friend.

[Common Sense Al]

if I give a crap one day, I might. But don't count on it my friend.

Don't worry, I won't count on it... I'll be fine either way, my friend, buddy, ol' pal.

[CopperCanyonResident]

One question for both sides of the argument: is our culture better off now than it was before the Pill and before Roe v. Wade?

Is the illegitimacy rate lower?

Are there fewer broken families - or fewer families that never formed?

Are our prisons less full of spiritually / emotionally stunted human beings who never had a proper upbringing?

Are there fewer broken hearts and wounded people - especially wounded women?

Think about the state of affairs in our country and in the world. Has contraception, free love, and abortion brought us to Utopia?

From my perspective, things have gotten MUCH worse since the advent of the Pill, the legalization of abortion on a national level, and since free love was accepted as all well and good.

Can any of you say we are better off as a society since these changes?

I suppose women have more choices, but what have many of those choices wrought?

How has our culture developed since things became more loose morally in the USA? Are we a better people than we were just a few decades ago?