Komen foundation & Planned Parenthood

[Pipeline]

Right On, Skiing1974, Pipeline and JKTex! Thank goodness sane people do exist.

Drill, baby, drill!

[Common Sense Al]

The state of society and its level of rationalizing evil just goes to show how many people are still greatly lacking when it comes to having a "well-formed conscience".

But hey, it's the consequence of having the gift of "free will"... you can choose death or choose life... and some choose death.

[Pipeline]

The state of society and its level of rationalizing evil just goes to show how many people are still greatly lacking when it comes to having a "well-formed conscience".

Al, I do have a "moral compass". But it don't point straight up.

[Common Sense Al]

Al, I do have a "moral compass". But it don't point straight up.

Let's just say it could use some refinement, but I suppose the same could be said for just about anyone.

[Common Sense Al]

Right On, Skiing1974, Pipeline and JKTex! Thank goodness sane people do exist.

Are you including yourself as one of those sane people? Just wondering.

Oh, and I thought you were outta here (again)? See viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8424&start=75#p58417

[JKTex]

Nope, it can't. The problem is that "your side" is a side with a box around it and you can't see out of that box.

Funny, I see a box around your side.

Here's a clue, who says "the other side" isn't supportive of life.

Hmmm.......... maybe the fact that 'the other side' wants to allow the killing of life says that they aren't supportive of it? You have to apply a little logic & common sense here... but just a little.

You'll continue to reply like that as long as your mind is closed. It's worse than wearing blinders......

[Common Sense Al]

You'll continue to reply like that as long as your mind is closed. It's worse than wearing blinders......

So in other words you are unable to come up with a better response or even an answer.

[skiing1974]

good grief Al, now please don't go arguing against free will...As Pipeline said it, new age, not middle age.

[Common Sense Al]

good grief Al, now please don't go arguing against free will...As Pipeline said it, new age, not middle age.

Good grief... who is arguing against 'free will'?

[Hog Caller]

Right On, Skiing1974, Pipeline and JKTex! Thank goodness sane people do exist.

My niece was raped. She was a beautiful girl just graduating high school. She was pregnant and decided to protect the baby in spite of her rotten circumstances. She had to defer college for a year and she, through her famIly, had the baby set up for adoption at birth. The baby was born and adopted on release from the hospital. My niece got her master's in education counseling and achieved the position of the head student of the Aggie band at Texas A&M. The parents of her child send her pictures of her girl twice a year. That girl is a beautiful princess herself and is always gleefully happy in all of the pictures. I've always been exceptionally proud of my niece to have the courage to look beyond herself in the midst of rotten circumstances and produce something beautiful.

[Common Sense Al]

My niece was raped. She was a beautiful girl just graduating high school. She was pregnant and decided to protect the baby in spite of her rotten circumstances. She had to defer college for a year and she, through her famIly, had the baby set up for adoption at birth. The baby was born and adopted on release from the hospital. My niece got her master's in education counseling and achieved the position of the head student of the Aggie band at Texas A&M. The parents of her child send her pictures of her girl twice a year. That girl is a beautiful princess herself and is always gleefully happy in all of the pictures. I've always been exceptionally proud of my niece to have the courage to look beyond herself in the midst of rotten circumstances and produce something beautiful.

I am very sorry that your niece was raped, but her decision to keep the baby does indeed have a beautiful outcome! If she had "gone the other way", I suspect she would have always had regrets and questions of what could have been, but now she must be sure that she made the right decision! How could one regret it now?

[FM7]

While as a pro-lifer I would like to ban abortion, I realize that politically that may never happen.

However, what I would really like is at least an acknowledgement that post abortion women also suffer. Many women that have had abortions say their suffering is much worse than the suffering they 'thought' they might have gone through by having the baby. But instead they are not told about this before the 'procedure', and then after they get no help from the provider, and just told to "get over it". If they really cared about the women, why not go the full distance and provide them support after the procedure?

On the Komen issue, it is simple for me. If they give money to PP, they will get no money from me and many others. Up to them ...

[skiing1974]

Hog Caller, sorry to hear about the niece, glad she made a decision that worked for her and the baby in this case. It is one happy example. She had a choice and decided to keep it. That's all I am saying, choice that woman has. Al right away jumps into what if she had gone the other way and concludes only regrets would be there. As if that situation doesn't happen and the woman ends up just as happy as your niece, even though the decision was different. In Al's life, woman would not be able to decide and each woman goes through a different story.

[FM7]

Don't you think the women should at least get an informed choice? PP does all they can to limit the info, so they won't change their minds.

[Hog Caller]

Hog Caller, sorry to hear about the niece, glad she made a decision that worked for her and the baby in this case. It is one happy example. She had a choice and decided to keep it. That's all I am saying, choice that woman has. Al right away jumps into what if she had gone the other way and concludes only regrets would be there. As if that situation doesn't happen and the woman ends up just as happy as your niece, even though the decision was different. In Al's life, woman would not be able to decide and each woman goes through a different story.

I don't get into the should and shouldn't arguments. That is Al and Brian's domain. I consider myself to be the "what if" debater. If I know a woman is contemplating getting an abortion I will try to connect her with another woman who has already done that. Anything I say to them would come from a philosophical point of view. Anything the woman with a prior abortion says will come from an experiential point of view and what many of them have to say is exactly what FM7 posted earlier. If a woman is determined to have an abortion then she is going to have one, but there are many who would forgo the gut wrenching post partum sorrow if they were given some balanced counseling before the procedure. That is what I detest about Planned Parenthood, it is a hack shop with an iron clad, money driven, policy to always abort. You will never hear me condemn a woman who has had an abortion because there are millions of suffering women in our society who have and will go to their graves regretting that decision. I am proactive toward this issue in trying to enable all women who want it to receive balanced counseling prior to the act. If they get an abortion anyway, then I don't condemn them. But if they have sorrow later as so many do, then I will always grieve with them and be their friend.