Skeptic finds he now agrees global warming is real

[sandy brake]

EWOOOO That Smell.

[Pipeline]

EWOOOO That Smell.

Skynard fan are ya? " Cantcha smell that smell"

[sandy brake]

The smell that’s around youuu!

Sorry…couldn’t resist

[Pipeline]

The smell that’s around youuu!

Sorry…couldn’t resist

Wrong. The line in the tune is "the smell of death around you". Glad to help correct another error.

[sandy brake]

Damn.

[Common Sense Al]

The correlation to solar activity seems much more relevant than man-made CO2.

http://www.petitionproject.org/gw_artic ... e_HTML.php

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-a ... arming.htm

Over the last 30 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. Sun and climate are going in opposite directions. This has led a number of scientists independently concluding that the sun cannot be the cause of recent global warming.

One of the most common and persistent climate myths is that the sun is the cause. This argument is made by cherry picking the data - showing past periods when sun and climate move together but ignoring the last few decades when the two diverge.

Also:

That humans are causing global warming is the position of the Academies of Science from 19 countries plus many scientific organizations that study climate science. More specifically, around 95% of active climate researchers actively publishing climate papers endorse the consensus position.

Of course if one is brainwashed by the GOP, then it doesn't matter what science says... because GOP political theory trumps science & real-world experience & reality.

[FM7]

Al - since you are not brainwashed, when you see conflicting scientific information, how do YOU decide which is correct? Do you check who the author is before you decide? Or do you go with the majority?

[Common Sense Al]

Al - since you are not brainwashed, when you see conflicting scientific information, how do YOU decide which is correct? Do you check who the author is before you decide? Or do you go with the majority?

Let's just say when there's a clear consensus among scientists "who should know" (like those who have done actual work or study in the field), then I generally assume that they are correct, and yes, I also consider the source. How do you decide?

[Pipeline]

How do you decide?

I wet my finger, stick it in the air, and figure out which way the wind is blowing. Only difference with "scientists in the know", is which way the financial winds are blowing.
Come on, Al. How many "free range" scientists, do you think, are out there, not getting paid, to espouse one opinion or another, based on where the next check or "research grant" is coming from. Scientists don't "bite the hand that feeds". You can pay a scientist to say anything, lean this way or that, just like a politician, if the check clears.

Been there, done that.

[FM7]

I still think the world is flat since that was the consensus back in the day.

[FM7]

Why does this graph differ from yours?

[Common Sense Al]

I still think the world is flat since that was the consensus back in the day.

So why don't you believe today's consensus? Oh, because it's not GOP political theory. If it works in reality but not in theory, then it can't be true.

[Common Sense Al]

Why does this graph differ from yours?

Not sure exactly (though I suspect your link/data is biased)...but here is more info:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hb ... olact.html

The measured solar activity is well-correlated with the observed temperature variations, but does not follow the recent upturn in temperature as the originally published plot indicated.

While it appears that the measured solar cycle length tracks the temperature better than the CO2 concentration for the twentieth century up to 1970, this presented data remains quite controversial. When you look at the climate models that seek to show the human influence past 1970, you do see a good correlation of the temperature with the projected CO2 influence included, while the correlation with solar cycle length weakens.

[FM7]

Again, "my" data is biased but yours is correct. How do you know? Majority rules!

[FM7]

Here's my biggest problem with man-caused global warming. Those doggone cavemen!