Sonogram Bill

[Papa B]

the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Florida is trying to get women to incorporate their uteri.

Now that is what I call capitalism.

http://www.incorporatemyuterus.com/

[Common Sense Al]

If you beleive that women have the right to choose because the baby is in their body, then is it OK for a '9-month pregnant' woman to have an abortion? The baby is still in her body, so she has a right to kill it.

I too would like to know what the pro-abortionists think is the "magic" point at which a fetus transforms from being part of a woman's body to being another person... after all, they must know this, because if they don't, then why are they killing fetuses when they don't know whether it's just a body part or another person? ...because if you don't know then you better not kill it.

[Common Sense Al]

To corral the knuckleheads that refuse to attain, their own moral compass.

Consider for a sec that maybe it's the "non-knucklehead" people who are able to admit & accept that they are not God and instead prefer to get the real truth from a good source rather than make up their own right & wrong and be their own "god".

[TWM68]

Easy there Pipeline

Sorry, meant Slider.

[skiing1974]

Al, pro-choice and pro-abortionist is the same to you? One can personally be against abortion, but for women choosing on their own. I am sure you disagree.

[Common Sense Al]

Al, pro-choice and pro-abortionist is the same to you? One can personally be against abortion, but for women choosing on their own. I am sure you disagree.

If you are for (PRO) ABORTION for anyone who wants one, then you are PRO-ABORTION. You are for (PRO) the "right" to an abortion. Hence, the term "pro-abortion" makes sense.

Logic is pretty clear, at least to me.

Anyway, question for you: What is the "magic" point at which a fetus transforms from being part of a woman's body to being another person? No pro-abortionist seems to have answered that yet... I wonder why (maybe need more time to think about it?).

[TWM68]

The term "Pro-choice" is just supposed to make you feel better about letting people do things your don't personally agree with ....

Unfortanately we are not talking about size of government, or taxes, or green energy, or global warming .....

[TWM68]

If you use the "my body my choice" argument, then the magic point has to be when the baby is deliverred. But if they used that, they would lose a lot of the "i don't agree with it but I beleive the women has a right to choose" people ...

[skiing1974]

when baby is born Al and I thought we have gone over this years ago on here
then again, law is different and I go with what law is, even though I may no agree with it, but am law-abiding citizen

[TWM68]

when baby is born Al and I thought we have gone over this years ago on here
then again, law is different and I go with what law is, even though I may no agree with it, but am law-abiding citizen

So would you support a law that allows killing a baby one day before it is born?

[Common Sense Al]

So would you support a law that allows killing a baby one day before it is born?

In addition to that question... I ask a similar one...

skiing1974, what if a woman is 9 months pregnant and goes into labor and decides that this "part of the body" is just going to be too much pain, trouble and expense. Do you think it is OK if she aborts it an hour before it is born since it is "just a body part" and she decided that she doesn't want it to suddenly transform into a person that she has to care for when the body part is born?

[jlbates]

I'm kicking myself as I respond to this thread but ... to answer Al's question, I'd always heard that the "magic point" as it was so eloquently put is once the fetus is viable - I think around the 4th month of pregnancy. I'm not sure what the offical word is on viability, however, so don't quote me.

[TWM68]

I'm kicking myself as I respond to this thread but ... to answer Al's question, I'd always heard that the "magic point" as it was so eloquently put is once the fetus is viable - I think around the 4th month of pregnancy. I'm not sure what the offical word is on viability, however, so don't quote me.

So up to 4 months (or 23 weeks -viable or 10 weeks -heartbeat) it is not killing a baby, but after it is, and yet the baby is still in the woman's body. My body, my choice?

BTW, though I am religious, this is not a religious argument to me. The only real "magic" point is at conception. With the variance in development you can't say what the viable point is. If differs for all and it changes with medical developments.

[Common Sense Al]

I'm kicking myself as I respond to this thread but ... to answer Al's question, I'd always heard that the "magic point" as it was so eloquently put is once the fetus is viable - I think around the 4th month of pregnancy. I'm not sure what the offical word is on viability, however, so don't quote me.

Are you aware that this mysterious "viability" point constantly changes based on things like medical technology and the country one's in (3rd world vs developed)? Therefore you are basically saying that technology (the time/decade/century one lives in) and the country one lives in determines when a body part becomes a person. Does this make sense to you? And even then... how about "pinning it down" to a specific day where this magic point occurs, say for the US? The "point of viability" really means nothing without specifics.

[Common Sense Al]

BTW, though I am religious, this is not a religious argument to me. The only real "magic" point is at conception. With the variance in development you can't say what the viable point is. If differs for all and it changes with medical developments.

To me, it's a religious AND scientific issue. And you're exactly right that the "magic point" is at conception. It is very clear that a very significant change occurs at that time. At what other point does such a change occur? I'd say there are only two points where such a significant change occurs... life and death.