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Postby neighbor » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:23 pm

OK, even I am suprised by some of these figures...

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Postby josh » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:46 pm

neighbor wrote:OK, even I am suprised by some of these figures...

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Postby neighbor » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:21 pm

josh wrote:Begin Al in 3...2.....1....


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Postby slider701 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:46 pm

josh wrote:
neighbor wrote:OK, even I am suprised by some of these figures...

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He took a week off from the "Big Picture" forum....he should be full of P&V and ready for a new fight with Nyuce
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Postby esemerson » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:19 pm

some interesting data there. but they fail to mention that Medical bills trigger at least half of bankruptcies. Which in itself is a huge problem. Surprisingly, most bankrupted by illness have health insurance.
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Postby Common Sense Al » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:28 pm

I'm taking a little break... but I will say again something big needs to be done... we need a public insurance option that is affordable and anyone can get on without being denied (I don't care if private insurance companies go broke because people want to get on the public option)... and I don't like some of what I heard about requiring employers to provide health insurance. We need to get away from depending on employers to provide health insurance. No other country does it that way.... OK.. better stop.
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Postby neighbor » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:52 pm

esemerson wrote:some interesting data there. but they fail to mention that Medical bills trigger at least half of bankruptcies. Which in itself is a huge problem. Surprisingly, most bankrupted by illness have health insurance.


Recently I read (a Harvard doc) the three primary reasons for bankruptcies, in order of degree, are income loss, divorce, and third, medical. But in all cases, these were families that were over extended to begin with, with an average debt of more than a year's salary in credit card debt. I think that average credit card debt was something like 112% of salary. The point is that those filing for bankruptcy citing job loss, divorce and medical bills as reasons, will likely file even without these three reasons at some point, just later than sooner.
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Postby Brian » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:24 pm

Broad public insurance is done all over Europe and Canada and its mediocre at best. If its so great, why do people fly all over the world in order to pay out of pocket specialized service here in the US?

But, one thing I do like about it that if I got laid off I wouldnt worry as much. (Yes, I know about COBRA.) Or if I wanted to go into business for myself. One huge barrier to starting my own company is dealing with my own insurance, the high cost, and the less coverage it gives than what I can get from my mega-corp coverage I have now.
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Postby Common Sense Al » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:33 pm

Brian wrote:Broad public insurance is done all over Europe and Canada and its mediocre at best. If its so great, why do people fly all over the world in order to pay out of pocket specialized service here in the US?


If public insurance is so mediocre, then why are Republicans going crazy over it because they think it would damage private insurance or cause them to go out of business? If private insurance is so superior, then wouldn't people want to pay more for it? And if that is the case, then why are Republicans so worried about private insurance companies going out of business if they offer a superior product that people will want to pay for?

Republicans are extremely weak when it comes to healthcare. They worry more about private insurance companies than the general public.
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Postby nyuce » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:46 pm

Brian wrote:Broad public insurance is done all over Europe and Canada and its mediocre at best. If its so great, why do people fly all over the world in order to pay out of pocket specialized service here in the US?

But, one thing I do like about it that if I got laid off I wouldnt worry as much. (Yes, I know about COBRA.) Or if I wanted to go into business for myself. One huge barrier to starting my own company is dealing with my own insurance, the high cost, and the less coverage it gives than what I can get from my mega-corp coverage I have now.


Small businesses with 7 and more employees have a chance to have the coverage of mega corps - just call my son, if your company qualifies, you'll get it.
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Postby neighbor » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:40 am

Brian wrote:Broad public insurance is done all over Europe and Canada and its mediocre at best. If its so great, why do people fly all over the world in order to pay out of pocket specialized service here in the US?

But, one thing I do like about it that if I got laid off I wouldnt worry as much. (Yes, I know about COBRA.) Or if I wanted to go into business for myself. One huge barrier to starting my own company is dealing with my own insurance, the high cost, and the less coverage it gives than what I can get from my mega-corp coverage I have now.


I've posted this site before. In Texas, individuals and small companies can buy insurance at the same rates as employers with 100,000 employees.

www.ehelathinsurance.com
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Postby Common Sense Al » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:51 am

neighbor wrote:I've posted this site before. In Texas, individuals and small companies can buy insurance at the same rates as employers with 100,000 employees.


Maybe, as long as you meet a handful of conditions and limitations.
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Postby admin » Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:08 pm

After the White House's announcement on Saturday that they were seeking video questions for an online town hall on health care reform, Rep. Michael C. Burgess, M.D. posted the following video question on his YouTube site, asking President Obama if he is indeed committed to finding out what works in health care. Specifically, he asked the president if he will consider the right kind of medical justice and liability reform, such as those that were established in Texas in 2003, including caps on non-economic damages. According to Burgess, those reforms have made it possible for thousands more doctors to practice medicine in Texas, making health care better for all.

Click here to view the video: www.youtube.com/michaelcburgessmd
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Postby esemerson » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:34 pm

admin wrote:After the White House's announcement on Saturday that they were seeking video questions for an online town hall on health care reform, Rep. Michael C. Burgess, M.D. posted the following video question on his YouTube site, asking President Obama if he is indeed committed to finding out what works in health care. Specifically, he asked the president if he will consider the right kind of medical justice and liability reform, such as those that were established in Texas in 2003, including caps on non-economic damages. According to Burgess, those reforms have made it possible for thousands more doctors to practice medicine in Texas, making health care better for all.

Click here to view the video: www.youtube.com/michaelcburgessmd


Is this guy worrying about the cost of his own malpractice insurance or is he looking out for his constituents? I am sure the 26th district does not lay awake at night worrying about their doctors.
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Postby Common Sense Al » Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:44 pm

We do need caps but also a way to get rid of bad doctors and provide incentives not to "mess up". This could be done by an official national healthcare rating system where people could rate their doctors, dentists, hospitals, etc, as well as put in formal complaints. It could be a requirement that the places post notices about this site so the patients know about it. That would be a big incentive to give good care without all the wasted money on malpractice insurance, frivolous lawsuits, and attorney fees.

And people would love it... it would be a great reference when you need to find a doctor or other healthcare provider.
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