Provider Conscience Rule

[Common Sense Al]

Use your imagination. What if an ER doctor refuses to treat a homo-sexual or whoever he/she might object to.

I'm sure that the chances of anything like that happening are ridiculously small.

[esemerson]

Use your imagination. What if an ER doctor refuses to treat a homo-sexual or whoever he/she might object to.

I'm sure that the chances of anything like that happening are ridiculously small.

ok. then that makes it ok

[Common Sense Al]

I'm sure that the chances of anything like that happening are ridiculously small.

ok. then that makes it ok

Yep, when the benefits significantly outweigh the downside it makes the decision/choice easy! Not really saying that any downside is "OK", just that a small downside is better than the larger downside of being forced to do what the gov't tells you (and, in a sense, you could argue that it makes it "OK").

Besides, I wouldn't want to have a doctor operating on me if he was only doing it because he was forced to.

Hopefully Obama will concentrate on the more important issues of fixing real problems than moving us backwards and undoing any good things Bush has done.

[falcon999]

does this allow the provider to never tell the patient that an option exists. Like stating that plan b doesn't exist or something like that..

or do you have to say that I can't do that, but you can go to someone else and get it there.

[esemerson]

undoing any good things Bush has done.

that would take 5 minutes.


it's not 'ok' Al. And it wont stop abortions. But it can stop prescriptions from being written/filled and medical care and services. Abortions are one thing and no one should be forced to do it, but denying or refusing medical care for other things is not 'OK'

[Common Sense Al]

it's not 'ok' Al. And it wont stop abortions. But it can stop prescriptions from being written/filled and medical care and services. Abortions are one thing and no one should be forced to do it, but denying or refusing medical care for other things is not 'OK'

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree yet again.

[Lantana07]

hypocratic oath...do no harm. In an emergent case I don't think you'd ever find a doctor unwilling to treat a patient because of whatever. And they would have almost no data on the person's faith/morality/sexuality in an ED case. But it's not relevant...this bothers me not.

[josh]

While current law already protects the religious beliefs of health care providers and professionals... here comes the refusal clause

Be careful who you choose as a medical service provider. Under Bush's new regulation health care providers can refuse service for just about any reason, not just abortions mind you.

The regulation is written so broadly that they can refuse for any reason, so long as they claim to have a moral objection to it.

If you are gay you had better hope you don't run into a doctor that has a moral objection to your lifestyle.

Need anti-biotics for your child? stay away from those scientologist doctors.

Getting birth control pills refilled? Make sure your pharmacists will fill the prescription first.

Need viagra? make sure your doctor does not morally object to erections first.

Fun stuff.

even Catholics are upset.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20081218/p ... regulation

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2008 ... ublication

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealt ... licy/12027

The problem here is that you posted your thoughts and the opinions of others and expect everyone to believe that is the fact of the matter. If you wanted to be fair you would have posted something from HHS.

Try this:

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2008pres/ ... 0821a.html

It turns out that NOBODY will be denied care...NOBODY. It turns out that NOBODY can be denied treatment at a private clinic (i.e. abortions) because these rules only affect those taking federal money.

I bet you were leading the charge several years ago against Bush for using "scare tactics" about terrorism and you are doing the same with this.

If you want to know what this is all about...go to the HHS website and read the rulings. I suggest people not get their news from opinion makers.

[esemerson]

http://findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov/

lots of them to choose from here josh. In fact these federally funded providers are all over.


As far as Bush scare tactics... go read The Shadow Factory and see if that gives you a warm fuzzy.