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[skiing1974]

Al,
technicalities?
when this administration imposes sanctions on other countries, they KNOW their actions will kill thousands of babies! When you can't import anything including medicines and equipment! Been here, seen it, lived it.
And as I posted before, doesn't matter Republicans or Democrats when it comes to pathetic foreign policy here. The reason I brought Republicans up is your post on them being your choice because they are pro-life. And I am making argument that they are so far from pro-life (if you take it with abortion being only 1 action showing pro-life policy), that it is apsurd to call them that.
The intent of sanctions is to make everyone's life so miserable in that country that the people would rise against the government. That intent kills my friend.

[Common Sense Al]

Blanket bombing is one of the intents amongst many.

And when has the US done blanket bombing for the intent of killing innocent people? C'mon...

[skiing1974]

Al,
blanket bombing and cluster bombs like in Bosnia and Kosovo among other places. C'mon, Al, I know you are smarter than that...

[Common Sense Al]

It is really funny - People talking about the Christian values and equating these with the most highest standards on an election of a secular country where Christians, Jewish, Moslems, Hindus, Ateists, Agnostics, Shamanists are citizens. What makes you think your Christian values are higher than any of those groups?

There's only one God... there's only one absolute truth. Therefore, any beliefs that are not in agreement with the absolute truth are, obviously, not correct.

[Common Sense Al]

Al,
blanket bombing and cluster bombs like in Bosnia and Kosovo among other places. C'mon, Al, I know you are smarter than that...

Please educate me... please provide a reputable source that shows that carpet bombing was done with the intent to kill innocent people.

[nyuce]

There's only one God... there's only one absolute truth. Therefore, any beliefs that are not in agreement with the absolute truth are, obviously, not correct.

And that is a belief. While I respect it, the reality is somehow totally different.

[nyuce]

ooops....sent it away too quickly.

I can't resist it folks... those words are very similar to those uttered by those who destroyed the towers, and are called fanatics.

In a secular society there are many "truths", yours, mine, and others. And all other "truths" are citizens of this country, paying as much as taxes to support this country and government's spendings, sending their sons to wars declared by the government, sending their children to schools, working at all capacities that make this country function.

So Al, my belief is religion is personal and has no place in the politics of a country. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, and she became pregnant at as a teenager, I would make sure to convince her enough to have the abortion. If not, that baby should be a burden to her (drop out of school, work at minimum wage and provide a miserable life for that baby) and be a burden on the society. My belief is to help all I can and demand the government use my tax money to help those who are already born living in poverty or in streets and I don't care about the religious beliefs of those I have helped.

In the words of mystic Mevlana (you may know his philopsophy from the Whirling Dervishes),

"Come, come whomever you may be
be it a non-believer, be a Zerdusti (fire-worshipper)
even if you repented thousands of times
Come...to the brotherhood of love"

[skiing1974]

Al,
there is no:
1. reputable source to you because it would be totally unknown from a foreign land.
2. english version of it.
There doesn't have to be a written intent Al. There can be underlying intent knowing that would one does will cause deaths to the ones supposedly not directly targeted.

[Common Sense Al]

Al,
there is no:
1. reputable source to you because it would be totally unknown from a foreign land.
2. english version of it.
There doesn't have to be a written intent Al. There can be underlying intent knowing that would one does will cause deaths to the ones supposedly not directly targeted.

Knowing what will happen when something is done does not meant there is intent for it. If there indeed was any intent to kill innocent people, then of course that would be as bad as intending to kill innocent children.

[Common Sense Al]

I can't resist it folks... those words are very similar to those uttered by those who destroyed the towers, and are called fanatics.

Religion can be used for evil... like the Internet... both good and bad, but when the chosen religion is good/correct and followed properly, it works great!

In a secular society there are many "truths", yours, mine, and others. And all other "truths" are citizens of this country, paying as much as taxes to support this country and government's spendings, sending their sons to wars declared by the government, sending their children to schools, working at all capacities that make this country function.

There are "truths" (which may or may not be true) and then there is the absolute truth which is always true.

So Al, my belief is religion is personal and has no place in the politics of a country. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, and she became pregnant at as a teenager, I would make sure to convince her enough to have the abortion.

That is a shame... you would not even consider adoption? You wouldn't consider how killing her own child would affect her the rest of her life? Assisting or promoting abortion is also a grave sin.

If not, that baby should be a burden to her (drop out of school, work at minimum wage and provide a miserable life for that baby) and be a burden on the society.

So you would be for killing anyone who you think would be a burden or would have a miserable life? Are you going to kill your parents if they get old and become a burden to you or society?

Anyway, probably no point in discussing this further... time to get some work and other things done.

[nyuce]

I can't resist it folks... those words are very similar to those uttered by those who destroyed the towers, and are called fanatics.

Al : Religion can be used for evil... like the Internet... both good and bad, but when the chosen religion is good/correct and followed properly, it works great!

NY: And you believe your chosen one is the good/correct one and others are not. How fanatic!

In a secular society there are many "truths", yours, mine, and others. And all other "truths" are citizens of this country, paying as much as taxes to support this country and government's spendings, sending their sons to wars declared by the government, sending their children to schools, working at all capacities that make this country function.

Al: There are "truths" (which may or may not be true) and then there is the absolute truth which is always true.

NY: That is YOUR belief. I am sure Bin Ladin is saying exactly the same things for one of the requirements of being a moslem is to accept that "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his prophet"

So Al, my belief is religion is personal and has no place in the politics of a country. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, and she became pregnant at as a teenager, I would make sure to convince her enough to have the abortion.

Al: That is a shame... you would not even consider adoption? You wouldn't consider how killing her own child would affect her the rest of her life? Assisting or promoting abortion is also a grave sin.

NY: That is realistic. No, I wouldn't consider adoption. Do you think it is easier for a woman how young she may be, to part from a baby she kept in her womb for 9 months, felt every movement and went through the excruciating pain of delivery? Psychologically, it is easier to part from a fetus at the beginning of pregrancy. Al, I don't deal in what you may consider sin, but in reality. To my mind and heart, as a woman who went through pregnancy and delivery twice, it is much bigger "sin" not to care about those who are already here and need our help.

If not, that baby should be a burden to her (drop out of school, work at minimum wage and provide a miserable life for that baby) and be a burden on the society.

Al: So you would be for killing anyone who you think would be a burden or would have a miserable life? Are you going to kill your parents if they get old and become a burden to you or society?

NY. How you twist words to suit your needs? I have written several times that I am against killing all living things . However I am for the rights of the woman if she choses, to have control over her body and have an abortion during the first four weeks, if she is not going to provide for the baby. And to your question about my parents: They are already old. I am taking care of my parents and do not get any medical or social benefit from the society, for they were able to provide for my needs when I was a baby, child, young girl...now it is my turn to take care of them. You may prefer to dump yours on society and my tax money will help to pay for them.

Al: Anyway, probably no point in discussing this further... time to get some work and other things done.

NY. Finally a sensible sentence.

[josh]

comon josh. I know you are not stupid.

Hundreds of books have been written about the subject. Many even by credible authors.

Where where the WMD?
The biological and chemical threats?
Where were all of the Al Qaeda camps?
Mobile weapon labs?

Can you honestly say that our intelligence community got everything that wrong?

Both you and nyuce are making a significant error here. You are attempting to prove the Bush admin LIED by trying to provide evidence that the Bush administration was WRONG. If I would have asked you to provide evidence that the amount of WMD found wasnt equal to the amount assumed to be there then your evidence is spot on. But I asked you to provide evidence that Bush LIED. You should chose your words carefully when engaging in debate. If what you mean is LIED then that demands a certain type of evidence...which you have not produced.

In fact - there are answers to each of your "where are" questions. Just not in the amount that we believed prior to engagement. Evidence is widely published by credible sources.

[josh]

ooops....sent it away too quickly.

I can't resist it folks... those words are very similar to those uttered by those who destroyed the towers, and are called fanatics.

In a secular society there are many "truths", yours, mine, and others. And all other "truths" are citizens of this country, paying as much as taxes to support this country and government's spendings, sending their sons to wars declared by the government, sending their children to schools, working at all capacities that make this country function.

So Al, my belief is religion is personal and has no place in the politics of a country. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, and she became pregnant at as a teenager, I would make sure to convince her enough to have the abortion. If not, that baby should be a burden to her (drop out of school, work at minimum wage and provide a miserable life for that baby) and be a burden on the society. My belief is to help all I can and demand the government use my tax money to help those who are already born living in poverty or in streets and I don't care about the religious beliefs of those I have helped.

In the words of mystic Mevlana (you may know his philopsophy from the Whirling Dervishes),

"Come, come whomever you may be
be it a non-believer, be a Zerdusti (fire-worshipper)
even if you repented thousands of times
Come...to the brotherhood of love"

I knew this would come up sometime...."In a secular society there are many "truths", yours, mine, and others. "

Is that statement true?

Please respond and I will continue my post.

[esemerson]

ok Josh. Hey can you provide some evidence that OJ was guilty?


There is no doubt in my mind that the American people were misled. It seems you were not only misled but bought into the propaganda as well.

[skiing1974]

esemerson, forget about evidences
republicans run foreign policy based on now famous Bush doctrine