I'm glad to see all the comments from different perspectives. That's what I hoped for.
I absolutely agree that if the kids (anyone for that matter) is misbehaving, disturbing other shoppers, and especially in the stores, they should be dealt with, and the stores Managers should have the stones to do it, and back their employees who address it within the appropriate scope. I'm astonished about the Barnes and Noble issue, that shojld not be tolerated by Barnes and Noble. As with any business employees should be empowered within the appropriate scope, and know they are backed by an escalation process so that the right people can take the right action, even if that means calling HVPD. From the story, it sounds like there may be ground for some disorderly citations and Parents being called.
Apparently my daughter and her friends are missing the times when it's bad, and it sounds like there may be times when it really is bad.....which goes back to my point about targeting the problem. As most of our laws go, rules can otherwise harmless behavior into unacceptable or criminal behavior. Our kids stopping to sit down for a few minutes isn't hurting anything, but because the mechanism in place to deal with the serious issues is broad and general, there end up being a lot of "rule breakers" and the bad kids keep on behaving badly. In that case, again, as with many of our laws, you then have a false success in control because you identify more offenders, but not the problem.
Salty1, you're right, and having a teen and knowing quite a few, the ones that are the problem are most often the kids of parents too wrapped up in "themselves" and their lives to be parents. They make excuses for their kids bad behavior....or rather, their kids being wrongly accused. There was a significant issue a few years ago whereby several teens were involved in a serious "prank" that resulted in nearly $100k in damage. Several kids were picked up and the wheels of excuses and protection started. A few got to sit and learn what consequences are. I'm sure we can guess which kids learned and have changed their behavior, and which ones just learned how better to manipulate and get away with the next thing they get into. (BTW, are y'all at SHOT?
GiantsWife, same here, my daughter and her friends never want to stay much past dark and prefer going during the day. That may be why they haven't seen a lot of what's said to be going on. When I've seen what I've ween has been later at night and that's when I'm picking them up as they leave the theater.
I think it would be a good idea to find out where some of these misbehaving kids are coming from, school etc. and try to target parents somehow, to communicate the problem Many parents may not have a clue what's going on. If we do, we can make better decisions with our kids, and that in itself may add to solving the issue. But I still think directly targeting the problem at the time it's happening is needed. No store should feel they don't have full power to protect their customer's experiences. If parents get their shorts in a wad over it, so what.
"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions." - Ronald Reagan